When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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MsNightingale
August 17, 2012 - 10:13pm
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Hello and Welcome Dear Birthing Goddess !
Dear Firsttimemumma, I am so happy that you have found this site. Congratulations on the birth of your new baby! I understand your fear and panic and most of us on this site have been there. You are not alone. You will be okay. Yes, there is so much hope. It sounds to me as though your body did a beautiful beautiful job in one of the most amazing moments that we as women can experience. You are understandably frightened. Being only nine weeks past giving birth, your body is healing now. Try to be calm, rest a lot with your beautiful baby. There is so much information on this site and you will hear from many more experienced than I am. I am post-menopausal and only three months here, but I have learned so much and am so very grateful for Christine and all her work and dedication, and also for the amazing teachers and women who post here regularly. There are many new mothers and many women of all ages on this site. And many who have gone on to have many more children following their prolapse. You will learn how to work with your body and you will learn that you can do almost anything in time. (including having more babies!) Over these next months your body will be healing in many ways. Try to eat healthy, and try to rest a lot. When you have time to browse, go into the resources tab on the home page of this site and get familiar with the Whole Woman Posture. As you move about your day, try as best you can to lift your chest slightly and to keep your belly very relaxed. Allow your lumbar curve in your back to be natural, relax your shoulders and slightly tuck your chin so that the crown of your head is lifted upward. It can seem overwhelming at first, but it is this posture that you want to become your natural posture. By relaxing your belly and allowing your natural curve, you allow those pelvic organs to slip forward where they are meant to be. If you are used to pulling in your belly and tucking your tailbone (as so many of us have done) you want to stop that. Just do as much as you are able as you begin this. In my first couple of weeks with the posture, I made a mental checklist that helped me to not feel overwhelmed. If you are able to get Christine's book, I think you might find that helpful. The DVDs are wonderful, however, being only 9 weeks PP right now, it seems like the best thing you can do right now is rest, enjoy that baby and your supportive husband, and do all that you can in the WW posture. I send you love and best wishes and look forward to hearing back from you!
louiseds
August 17, 2012 - 11:59pm
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It is a shock
Hi Firsttimemumma
It is a shock when you have done everything right, then suddenly it looks like you did everything wrong. MsNightingale is right. You did everything right. Eventually you will realise that, when other Mums respond with their experiences. No, you won't always be like this. Yes, you have had an injury, but it will get better as your body reverts over the next two years to something approximating pre-pregnancy. Like all injuries you will need to respect it and use your body in ways that minimise the impact of its residue on your life.
MsNightingale has sent you in the right direction.
You are suffering from acute grief right now, in amongst the joy of your newborn, and it will take some time to dispel the beliefs about prolapse being the end of life as you know it. Your first experience with post birth sex has started this re-trusting your body's integrity.
No, men don't notice the difference. You are not your vagina. Your man is quite aware of that, and will be just as besotted by your baby as you are, and will love you still, more now you have birthed his baby. :-) :-)
Your GP is not correct that the prolapse will get worse with each subsequent pregnancy, as long as your posture is adjusted to allow for less internal support for your pelvic organs. If you spend the rest of your live slouching it will get worse. Our western lifestyles conspire to worsen pelvic organ prolapse (POP), but we can affect changes in the way we feed, clothe, and use our bodies to counteract these effects. I am sure you will see Members posting of their experiences of subsequent pregnancies and worsening, or not, of their POPs.
My first baby was conceived with infertility treatment and I ended up with pre-eclampsia and was co-erced into a fully managed labour and birth, which was a bit like watching the birth on TV, not very inspiring. I am so glad that you birthed the way you did. You lucky duck! I did have two more vaginal births. They were both great, so I didn't miss out altogether.
Louise
ginny
August 18, 2012 - 12:24am
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Poor girl
I don't usually write back to people cos I'm not so good at expressing myself and the others here are! But your story made me cry and I want to tell you that you did nothing wrong whatsoever and I promise it will get better. It would be good if you nourished your body and loved yourself like you love your little bubba.my main reason for writing is to say I understand completely. Having just had my 3rd child, and discovering my pop after my 2nd I have been on that merry go round of disbelief and upset many times. Darling girl it has only been 9 weeks! I am amazed you are trying to have sex! Well done! Your body did this amazing thing and grew a child then you PUSHED IT OUT! How amazing are you!im ranting on but I just wanted to show my support and tell you that you'll get a ton of love and help here, but the main thing is to let your body recover and BUY THE BOOK! You'll feel much better when you do
Big hugs of support
Ginny
ginny
August 18, 2012 - 12:27am
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Oh and....
Just last week (4 mths post partum now) I was moping around the house feeling very sorry for myself because my rectocele really was bulging. And telling hubby to go away I'm hideous and broken.....took me a day to realise I was ovulating and I bounced back into standing straight and the rectocele retreated..... So I understand and empathise with all your emotions regarding husbands, sex and your body. It's hard!
Surviving60
August 18, 2012 - 11:17am
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Post partum timelines
Hello first time mumma and welcome. There are many posts on here about the normal time frames for when prolapse tends to get better and worse during the post-partum period. I'm sure even this can vary widely among women, depending on what they do with themselves during that period. But one thing is certain, you have a long recovery period still to go, and there is lots you can do during that time that will help to alleviate the prolapse. Post partum is a great time to learn to adopt Whole Woman posture because that is pretty much the normal posture of a pregnant woman.....belly relaxed, lower lumbar curvature in place, organs held toward the front. Well, that's where they belong now, too, but so many of us were taught to suck it all in and tuck the tailbone and that is still considered "good posture" by the world at large. Not so! Please spend time time on this site if you can. Under the Navigation section on the left, if you click on the word "forums" it will take you to a page where you can search the actual Pregnancy and Prolapse forum, where many of the PP threads are found. You can also just search on keywords in the box above. Most importantly, yes, there are many young moms here who have gone on to have more kids and their prolapses are no worse, and in many cases better due to WW work. In the PP period your organs are in the process of working themselves back into some kind of "normal" position - make WW the new normal! I wish I had had this knowledge at your age. You will be fine, you will be more than fine. - surviving
firsttimemumma
August 18, 2012 - 6:40pm
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thank you MsNightingale!
thank you MsNightingale! Thank you for reminding me how very early on this is.... I watch my baby grow and its like life has hit the fast forward button on me, it is all flying by so quickly, but in reality it is so early in the picture. I am so glad I have found this site and forum too, as I fear the picture painted by mainstream care is so hopeless that I might otherwise sink into a depressive hole! I will concentrate on making as strong and healthy a foundation as I can right now, and work on the posture. It is a start and I will be getting that book! Thank you for taking the time to help me, and reminding me what a wonderful job my body has done x
firsttimemumma
August 18, 2012 - 6:51pm
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Louise I am so glad you were
Louise I am so glad you were able to have the births you deserve, I hear so many stories from my homebirthing friends of how they were scarred physically and emotionally by the hospital system, before they discovered home birth as an option and my heart breaks for them. It is stories like yours that remind me that we have the power to write our own histories, rather than just accept what we are told must be.
I am lucky.
And you are right, this is acute grief and it is an injury. I never knew this could happen and even if i did, i would never have thought it would happen to me. I will respect it as such, and give it some time whilist moving in a more positive direction. thankyou x
thank you for the hubby comment too ;)
firsttimemumma
August 18, 2012 - 7:05pm
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Thank you Ginny, thank you
Thank you Ginny, thank you for taking the time and stepping outside your comfort zone to offer me support, you have no idea how warm it makes me feel to return here just a day after posting and find such an accepting community full of encouragement, and who are not only offering me hope but celebrating the birth of my daughter and reminding me how amazing my body is. this has definitely been lacking in my current circles, and i really needed to hear it. hugs right back at you x I am glad to hear you were able to have a third baby after discovering your pop, that is inspiring :)
firsttimemumma
August 18, 2012 - 7:12pm
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thankyou surviving60, what a
thankyou surviving60, what a wonderful way to think of the WW posture, being pregnant was the first time in my life i felt really beautiful. It would be lovely to feel that way again, and I know that adopting different postures triggers memory, maybe i can tap into that! It will be a re-education that is for sure, but i have the felling i can do it, given all the wonderful support here x
odelia
August 23, 2012 - 6:20pm
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I just wanted to reassure you
I just wanted to reassure you that it wasn't anything you did wrong during labour that caused your POP.
I had a very difficult first birth, 3 hours of directed/protracted pushing, epidural, 3rd degree tear etc.
I had no prolapse after that.
2 years later I had an ecstatic homebirth, not once did I exert any effort in pushing, by body pushed my baby out over 30mins, very very small perineal tear. I discovered a rectocele 6 weeks later.
Fast forward 4 years, baby number 3 is born in my bath, my body pushed her out over 15mins, again, not one ounce of exertion on my part, no tearing and 2 weeks later I discover a cystocele.
Though I am not a walking advertisement for how birth doesn't make a prolapse worse, I truly believe it is not birth that is the problem. I refuse to believe that we are so poorly designed that childbirth could do this to us. It is what we are designed to do. I will have another child and I'll birth in my bath again, I am confident that birth alone does not do this.
And I also want to reassure you that things will improve. After I discovered my rectocele 4 years ago I had to manually reduce the bulge, in order to empty my bowels, after about 12 months I didn't need to do that anymore, my sex life was great and I was very happy with my body. I enjoyed 3 years of asymptomatic rectocele, so I know it can happen and I remain hopeful that I will have improvement of my cystocele as well.
Love and light, sister, you will be ok xx