When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
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Mary Jane
July 5, 2013 - 3:59pm
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P.S
Today I had a day of walking a lot may-be it helped. But I do know my God the God of Israel helped!
want2know
July 5, 2013 - 4:24pm
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I truly believe that God led
I truly believe that God led me here too, Mary Jane. I was facing probable surgery, but with the knowledge I've gained here, I won't be doing surgery unless it's my only alternative.
God is interested in each one of us.
:-)
w2k
Surviving60
July 5, 2013 - 6:03pm
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No kegels please
Mary Jane, Christine has written extensively about kegels and how they do not help prolapse. They can actually aggravate it. If you go over to her Blog tab and do a search on "kegels", these articles will come up. I know they don't work, I did them for decades after I had my babies......wish I hadn't bothered. She explains the anatomy of it quite clearly. It's also discussed in her book, Saving the Whole Woman. Would highly recommend that you go to the source and get this information for yourself, if you haven't already. There's quite a lot of knowledge contained in the book and DVDs that you won't get anywhere else. With some understanding, diligent work, and a dose of good fortune, you may avoid problems later on. Oh, to have had this knowledge when I was your age....... - Surviving
Mary Jane
July 5, 2013 - 8:12pm
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Waterbirth - all 4s necessary?
Thank you for your attention Surviving! Well better late than never, right? Most women with prolapses never find this site.
I suspect this problem is more wide spread in the Western world where women are more forced into abnormal "beuty-ideals"
I have quit Kegels since yesterday =) I just couldn`t get it how Kegel movement so low could affect the uterus that is so much higher (esecially the part wherever it attaches to the rest of the body). And also because I read it pushes rectum & bladder to vagina :S Will continue during sex though when the cock is tere for support :P
I`ve pretty much never ordered anything from the internet, also as I do come from a fairly poor country having born in the Soviet Union, but I am thinking about visiting the shop soon.
So now I am considering home-birth and have took note of someone`s suggestion for birth-giving on all fours. Is it necessary anyway as Im gonna do it in a bath anyway?
Mary Jane
July 5, 2013 - 7:33pm
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Isn`t it demonic how they force retarded "beauty-ideals" on us?
I have just found out many of you pulled tummy in and tucked spinal bone in. Secret solved. I also kept my spinal bone rather in as letting it out made my belly come out more. Ive noticed latino women usually keep a natural pose. Isn´t it demonic how they fuck our minds (even down to our vaginas and further) with the unnatural body-shape "beauty-ideals"?
Wantmylifeback
July 5, 2013 - 7:34pm
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Mary Jane :)
You dropped the C word like it was nothing!!! It made me giggle!! :)
rose54
September 2, 2013 - 10:40am
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Mary Jane
How did the water birth work? And I was just wondering why anyone would want to go down on all 4's to give birth. It seems backwards to me?
Amel
September 5, 2013 - 6:25am
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Thank you
Over two years now since I found Christine's site and I can honestly say at the age of 75 I no longer think about the double prolapse I have.
Cystitis is a thing of the past now that I have learnt to empty my bladder fully and I know I have to keep my bowel healthy..watch what I eat and never get constipated!
The thing was more evident at times of stress when my gut ties itself into knots but I'm learning not to worry!!!
Meditation, diet, relaxation, looking after my own needs and no surgery.
Thank you Universe and especially Christine and the many women here who have contributed to my fund of knowledge about how the human being works. Bless you all. Amel
Surviving60
September 5, 2013 - 10:19am
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Thank you Amel for writing!
Thank you Amel for writing! Such inspiring words for all newbies who can't yet believe that committing to this work lets them get on with living, without fear. That is the biggest gift we've all received. Bless you for sharing your thoughts, couldn't have said it better. - Surviving
louiseds
September 5, 2013 - 11:12pm
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Isn't it demonic ...?
You got in in one, Mary Jane. Yes, I think cultural influences are everything. Beauty Ideals are a construct of those who would exchange their snake oil for our money. It has always been thus. We need to take responsibility for our own wellbeing.
Re "latino women always keep a natural pose", it often does seem like that. Flamenco dance is an example of the Spanish influence on posture. That derives from bull fighting which also displays the same 'attitude'. That attitude comes from within and is passed on from one generation to the next. The Spanish were great colonisers and took their influences all over the world with their conquests. African women display WW posture at its best. Middle Eastern women could be similar but often their long, loose outer robes conceal their posture. Yes, the fashion industry has a lot to answer for, as does the fitness industry.
Re birth on all fours, all the natural birth books I have read say that being upright, rather than reclining, and leaning forward, rather than leaning back, are better, because there is less pressure on the perineum. In obstetrics they talk about delivering 'over an intact perineum'. This is because they are talking about the woman being either lying on her back, or semi-propped up. The perineum grows longer, extending further forward as pregnancy progresses. Therefore when a woman is birthing on her back, semi-propped up, she is trying to push the baby into a wall of tissue, against gravity, and it has to be lifted up and over the perineum. In that position, she is sit/lying on her coccyx (your spinal bone?) and pushing it up towards the pubic bones, making the outlet smaller. Where is the sense in that? You know what? It is for the convenience of the doctor and midwives, but is a very inefficient position for the mother to enable her baby to come out.
It is much more efficient for the woman to be active in her labour until she births. That means getting around doing things, then for second stage to be upright, and forward, and to allow gravity to do its work. This means that she might be on all fours, or semi squatting while being supported by strong helpers. This allows the baby's head to come forwards and away from the perineum.
My first labour and birth was all lying down fully managed with epidural, on my back, feet in stirrups. The baby was literally extracted, with forceps, which needed a big episiotomy. It was so disappointing as an experience.
My second labour I must have walked many km around the labour ward, only going back to the delivery suite for each contraction. As soon as I stopped walking the contractions would slow down. I wanted them to keep going, so I just kept walking. This second stage was on the table, lying on my side, so I was able to keep my outlet open, but didn't have to support my own body weight.
The third was a lot of walking, but I rearranged to take a big double foam mattress into the delivery suite, and I laboured (posterior) on that for first stage. It was my familiar, portable nest. Second stage for this labour was on hands and elbows, butt up in the air, to move the baby up and slow it down because the doctor was late. Eventually I got up into a kind of kneeling position, leaning forward onto my hands, with my feet on the lowered bottom of the delivery table, and he came out like that. It was great! The midwife complained and tried to make me turn over but this was my third baby and I had the confidence to refuse. I hope I can pass that confidence on to you as a first timer, should you end up with a bossy midwife!
Don't limit yourself to the bath. There are lots of positions and places you can use. I suggest that you look actively for them in the environment that you will be birthing in.