Kontakt met whole Woman in nederland

Wish I could understand this language!

Seashore is in the Netherlands looking for other like-minded Whole Womaners to contact. Hope she comes back with her questions! In English hopefully! - Surviving

"This is a call for women in the Netherlands who work with the Whole Woman Workout. I would like to get in touch with you. I am now two weeks working, enthusiastic, but would like to share, I live in Rotterdam. I hope there is somebody !!!"

Seashore, hebben we een grote gemeenschap van vrouwen over de hele wereld. Dus zelfs als niemand uit Nederland reageert op uw post, ik hoop dat u terug te komen en bij onze discussies! - Surviving

Seashore, we have a great community of women all over the world. So even if no one from the Netherlands responds to your post, I hope you will come back on and join our discussions! - Surviving

Seashore, here I am, a Dutch woman living in the eastern part of the Netherlands. I am reading this forum for a few years now, but never posted anything, till today, when I saw your call. I don't think it is very appropiate to go on writing in Dutch on this forum, as the other women can't follow us. But perhaps you can send me an e-mail?

I am curious to know if there are more Dutch women on this forum. I am sure there must be!

Your call has definitely not being unnoticed! It's very funny to see a post in Dutch on this forum all of a sudden, I did not expect that at all, ofcourse. In the meantime I got an e-mail from the WW practitioner in the UK, and she will send you my e-mail address.

I also want to take this opportunity to say THANK YOU to all the women on this forum (you know who you are), who spend a lot of time and effort to answer questions and support newcomers, etc. You must know that your input is highly appreciated, not only by women who post on this forum, but also by the numerous anonymous readers. (like me) I admire your patience and your positive attitude, what makes you a beacon of light for many women. I am sure of that!

Good luck to you ladies and I do hope you will try to keep as much of your discussion as possible right here on the forum. This is a big world-wide community, and everything that gets discussed here probably helps more members and readers than we will ever know! Lots of women really value the anonymity of participating in the forum and I don't think that will ever change. So good luck and stay close! - Surviving

No, I don't speak dutch, but isn't the internet a wonderful thing? - Surviving

First, can you clarify what you mean by kegel exercises? Christine advises against these, as they do tend to worsen prolapse. - Surviving

Hi seashore,
Contracting those muscles is doing a kegel, so you did understand that right. But, I worry that you don't have the concept of what whole woman posture is really all about. We don't have a pelvic floor that our organs sit on, but an outlet to the back of us. Our organs are actually nestled into our lower bellies where the are held by posture and intrabdominal pressure.
Can you tell us a little more about the whole woman work you are doing? Do you have any of the materials to help you along?
If you are having trouble really understanding this work, you may want to schedule an appointment with one of the practitioners. One of them may be able to shed some light on the situation for you.
My best wishes to you.

AG is right - it is not these muscles that keep the organs in position, and the more you tighten them as you go throughout your day, the more you are pulling the organs INTO the vaginal space!

You say you wore a pessary for a couple of years (which probably didn't help) so maybe you are just afraid of that bulgy feeling and you can't allow yourself to relax those muscles. Try to visualize those organs resting in the lower belly, held in place by posture and gravity. Please do go back to your WW materials and open yourself up to this work in all of its aspects. Good luck and keep working. It is not a fast process and it is filled with ups and downs. - Surviving

PS: Work on mastering firebreathing - I found it tricky at the beginning but it is an absolute must!

Hi seashore,
Instead of contracting muscles when you start to feel more symptomatic, try resting. You can lie down for a bit, get down on knees and forearms and do belly rolls and deep breathing. You can also do jiggling and Firebreathing to help move those organs into your lower belly.
You keep going back to the idea of pelvic floor muscles. I don't know if it is a language barrier that is preventing you from understanding our explaination of this? It is not about strengthening a pelvic floor, as we have said above. In Whole Woman posture the organs are moving into the lower belly and the vagina becomes a closed airless space. This is our goal with this work, getting to or as close as possible.
Do you have the book or any of the other materials to help you better understand this? It is a great investment into better understanding of this work.
And, remember, this work does take time and patience, so don't be too hard on yourself if you have set backs. We all do. We just pick up and start again and again until it sticks.
Best wishes to you.

Hi seashore,
Jiggling was invented by one of our long term members here. You just bend over touching a chair or the floor, and just jiggle, bounce, or jump. This helps move our pelvic organs into better position. Followed by firebreathing is very helpful. The belly pumps and nauli really help too. Any thing to get those organs moving in the right direction.

Take your time with reading the book, or if you can get someone to go over it with you would be great. It is well worth it.

It doesn't matter how you lie down, because the work of pelvic organ support happens while you are up and moving around. Holding the posture and breathing deeply into your belly can go a long way in helping you.
Some people may argue that they need to lay in certain positions, but the pressure is off your organs when you are lying down, so in reality it really doesn't matter.

Some women do like to bend over so the pressure of the cough forces the pelvic organs into the lower belly. Some will sit down too, so do whatever helps you best.

Don't be dissapointed if you are still symptomatic after cleaning that large house. The tools that we use are great to help us along, but learning the posture overall is what is going to help you the most in the long run. For many of us it took quite a bit of time to get this all together, up to a year actually.
So give yourself breaks when you need to and take a nice warm bath in Epsom salts after, that always makes me feel a lot better.

I have always felt that the biggest gift of the WW work, is that it gives us an understanding of what is actually going on with our pelvic organs, and the tools to deal with it, so that we can get on with our lives and not live in fear. As you go throughout your housecleaning day, you will surely not be able to stay in posture all the time, but you might be surprised at your ability to compensate and adjust, as you become more and more familiar with the feeling of correct body alignment. Just give yourself time. - Surviving

Let us know how your day went. Things will get better for you both physically and emotionally as you incorporate this work into your life! Trust in that. - Surviving

Yes seashore,
I experienced all of that when I started. I was afraid to do things, but I trusted in Christine's work, and I took advantage of everything she had to offer in her materials too. After time, things started to get better. I would start to feel better, and then I would start to do things that initially scared me. I do everything I want now including long walks and hikes, and definetly cycling!!
That's the thing about this work, it gives you permission to let go of that fear, wether you become symptomatic or not, because the tools and the work is always there to back you up.

When you are doing the house work try to make sure you are bending from the hips not the waist. That makes a big difference prolapse wise. Also, Christine does have an example of vaccuming on her First Aid For Prolapse DVD. That DVD shows many practical and helpful ways to get through your day. Very well worth it!

I did send my e-mailaddress to Lindy Roy and she replied to me (with a CC to Lanny) that she was awaiting your e-mailaddress, so that she could connect us to one another.
Something went wrong here, I guess...

I have the profound uterine prolapse, so yes I do understand how that feels. I have been managing my prolapse very successfully for almost 3 years now.

I don't get very symptomatic from bending over, so I am wondering if you are maybe not getting it right?? You really need to hinge from the hips with the curvature really in your lower back( make sure your back isn't rounded when bending),
and belly very relaxed. I actually feel really good coming from this hinged hip position to standing.

I hope you and your friend can get into contact soon so you can study this work together in your language. I give you a lot of credit tring to understand it in English.

I see what you are saying now, you feel symptomatic when standing up. I had that in the beginning too. Everything seemed like it was stuck and wouldn't move, just bulging and uncomfortable. This can be very frustrating, but I just did the work and it slowly started getting better month by month.
The work I did was a routine from the DVDs just about every day, whole woman walking, jiggling, and the firebreathing as Christine shows it on her DVDs. I started firebreathing on all fours(hands and knees), because I had such trouble keeping my cervix in at first with the standing version. I can do both very easily now.
And, I would always rest when I needed it. If I felt sore down there, I applied the honey as Christine suggests. It is very soothing and healing.
Don't forget those Epsom salt baths. They do wonders!

Hi Seashore,
I had the same prolapse as you and unless you have experienced it, it is hard to describe the pain. The weight of the actual prolapse was very painful. I bought all of the Whole Woman products.. Book, DVD's etc. And I think they would help but mine was too far progressed. I was able to get a hideaway garment I found on line and that helped support the prolapse from getting worse. I went ahead with the surgery on Sept 9th that included a hysterectomy and raising up of the vaginal wall, bladder and all. I'm so thankful I had a great surgeon and the results are perfect. No pain, no problems at all. The doctor told me that 50 percent of women have this problem but no one talks about it. This is a great site to get lots of help and information.

Well geez Susie, that is not helpful at all. You obviously didn't take Christine's work seriously or read about the detriment and failure of surgery in the long run.
I also have severe prolapse and have been actually able to to manage mine very well with this work, and I will never have surgery for it.

My opinion is this is the worst advice given on the forum so far!

This site is about helping women avoid surgery with the Whole Woman work. Please ladies, keep reading about the best solution for prolapse management from Christine's work. It gave me back a normal fulfilled life!

Believe me, I did not take the decision without much thought and prayer, in fact it took over a year for me to decide to do it. The pain of the prolapse personally was too much. My vaginal wall had colasped and everything was coming down. When I would sit down, I felt a lot of pressure and pain....all the time. I had to go to the bathroom every hour and test after test showed that my bladder was not emptying properly. I had to get in all kind of positions to be able to go. I guess I am one of the lucky ones because I had the best surgeon possible and tons of support from family and friends. I was petrified of having the surgery however, for my quality of life, I had no choice. My sister in law had the same surgery 6 years ago and never looked back, hers was a total success too. Honestly, my surgery was one month ago yesterday and I feel wonderful and normal again. I'm very thankful.

Thats the thing though. Now you have a chance of further prolapse, because the major support is gone. We have had many women come back here after multiple surgeries, complaining of bladder and vaginal vault prolapses, asking us what they can do now.

You have made your descision that you think was best for you, but this site isn't about surgery, it is about avoiding surgery with the whole woman work.

Your advice to have surgery is a harmful one in my opinion, and shouldn't be encouraged on this kind of forum.

I did not mean it as an encouragement to get surgery. My doctor didn't even encourage me to do it. It was a personal decision and maybe in 10 years it will prolapse again but for the next 10 years I think I'll be fine. I'm sure this program works great for many and that is wonderful. My doctor even said I could have prolapse again in the future but would not be as severe as what I have now. Like I said I bought the book and the DVD's. I know it also helps to have support like the hideaway I have or the Vstrap, had that one too (but preferred the hideaway because it was lighter weight and more comfortable) for doing long walk for additional support, but in the long run what I did was best for me. I just turned 65 and am still working full time.

I am not trying to be harsh with you, Susie, just trying to keep it real in the context of prolapse. Surviving is also 65 I believe, and still working, and managing her prolapse. We have many older ladies managing their prolapses too, so I kind of see that as a cop out. Buying Christine's materials is one thing, but actually committing yourself to the work is a whole other deal.

Support garments should really only be used with the more profound prolapses, and not used all the time. They mask symptoms, not help them. I actually wear one for walking, but the rest of the time I am supported by the whole woman posture and work.

Like I said previously, your advice isn't helpful, but is potentially harmful to other ladies who are trying to find a non invasive way to help their prolapse.

And, as I have said, I do have a severe prolapse, and I was able conquer those symptoms with this work. That's what is really important here, not quick fixes and invasive surgeries.

Happy for you Aging Gracefully and I wish you the very best!

Hi Susie - One piece of really bad advice you received from your doctor, is the notion that after the surgery fails, it is an easier fix. Actually, with each re-do, you will be worse and worse off, because there will be less tissue to work with.

It is disappointing and really quite surprising to me, that anyone could actually study Whole Woman teachings, and end up sacrificing her uterus, thinking that would make things better. Many of us would do just about anything to save that vital organ. You have made the decision that you felt was right for you. Christine has devoted the last 15 years of her life to getting women to say "no" to the knife and learn to manage their conditions naturally, in ways that will benefit the rest of their bodies and spirits till the end of their days. I am grateful to be one of them.

If you came onto the forum with the intention of helping other women, then the best thing you can do is to keep us informed of your progress (a month is too early to be meaningful) so that others can benefit from your experience. - Surviving