Rectocele woes, impressa, stuck stool, mg

Submitted by AJhiker on November 20, 2017 - 1:09pm
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This is my first time posting and I have read a lot of the other posts but I would like to explain my personal battle and see if anyone has had a similar experience or advice.

I was told I have a 1.5 or 2 rectocele. At first I felt like i needed to poo but couldn’t, the feeling is much like the feeling you get with peristalsis but the peristalsis doesnt come. I had to do squats and multiple maybe i can poop now runs. When it did come out it was a normal size but i feel like there wasnt enough pressure in my intestinal tract. Well i started taking plexus bio cleanse with 380 mg at night and it just pushes it out in the morning. Things have been fine for a few months and sometimes I can forget about my bulge but then all of the sudden I have some major issues.

I believe maybe lunch and dinner salads with too much fats in them and i didnt have my full big poop in the morning, a second one would try to come in the afternoon and be real hard to get out and then little hard pieces were coming out. I then started to have pressure and Perineal pain, As this goes on squatting resulted in really really soft poo coming out in a small amount when i had gas. My PT felt in there and said it felt like poo was getting stuck in the prolaspe so when i feel like there is a lot of pressure in there that is what’s happening and to splint to push it out. Now before last week things always seemed to work themselves out but I was miserable and did what she said. It was difficult to do that on the toilet so i had to squat making my psoas muscle more and more sore from this position, and i think i stopped the flow of poop by doing this so the hard pieces came out but the prolapse refilled and i had poop two more times after that with eachtime the prolapse refilling. It seemed my poop was maybe way to soft And i thought i should stop the magnesium to slow down transit time. Well that means i had to give it two days to see if that help with the too soft poo and too many poops. Usually i had one and for two days i went three times in the morning trying to splint. Anyways so yesterday the morning went ok not perfect but whateves so by the afternoon i started feeling more heavyness and like more poop was being deposited in it to the point that it hurt and felt like stretching was happening it was just the worst. So i tried to put an Impressa in to help the pressure and pust it the other way instead of my finger, the applicater i think tore up my vag a bit. Its not as smooth a top as tampons are so then that stressed me out but I did poop so that part was good now to this morning.

Thi is the day that determined if no mag and being more food careful is better but its not. I had a small urg to poop and then nothing for a bit. I had to sauat down and it started but there was just nit enough pressure to push the poop out. It finally came. But not big enough so i know there is going to be an afternoon problem. I went ahead and took my mag and am delaying eating for a bit so it doesnt turn my breakfast into diarrhea lol and am going to take my normal dose but way later at night to prevent too mushy of a poop, like midniht or 1 am, which my child eats two or three times at night so i will already to awake

In the mean time I am terrified that my prolapse got worse! And my psoas is so sore. I feel more bulging than normal and am afraid poop will keep pooling in it :( I havent been able to be normal for a few days now and am suposed to be traveling for thanksgiving but i cant imagine dealing with this around a bunch of family. One of which is a total B and the last person I want to know I have this problem. Just because she has a jealousy problem and is always trying to act like she is better than me. I dont play that game but it’s annoying to have her running her mouth in order to make herself feel superior. Ugg!

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tiredofthepain

November 21, 2017 - 2:05pm

Hi! This is my first time posting. Mine is getting worse too. I am at the point where I do not want to eat. I've been fasting a lot because what doesn't come in won't have to come out. It's miserable! I'm not looking forward to Thanksgiving either at all. I'm so depressed right now and am tired of this topic not being more well known. Awareness on this issue needs to happen and us suffering should have more societal support. I didn't even know what a prolapse was until I searched up what causes a vagina to sag when I first noticed this. God bless and I'm so glad to be in this group!

Aging gracefully

November 21, 2017 - 4:58pm

Serious dietary changes as well as the whole woman work can go a long way in relieving these symptoms. The whole woman work puts us in better alignment, and diet, a very personal journey, can help our digestive health. Do your research to see what helps you best. Christine also has some videos on the subject that are well worth checking out.

Surviving60

November 21, 2017 - 4:53pm

Hi AJhiker - you have been reading around on the site for a little while now, and I am wondering if anything you have read about Whole Woman posture has resonated with you. The WW work is your first line of defense against prolapse-related issues; it is the reason we are here! So here's something you can watch for an overview, then let us know what questions you might have. - Surviving

https://wholewoman.com/newpages/video/ww101.html

AJhiker

November 21, 2017 - 5:30pm

Im with you on that, my doctor was no help when i kept saying something is wrong and the. I got constipated and she told me to push, its ok to push it out so I did that and viola prolapse. I had to google too

AJhiker

November 21, 2017 - 5:33pm

My diet is pretty clean. Low meat lots of veggies. I havent had a problem. I found black beans to be trouble some and spinach but I was fine. I think having two salads with cheese and olive oil caused the problems to start. I have had that before with no problems so i didnt think about having two a day as bad. Now I am a mess, cant seem to get it back on track

AJhiker

November 21, 2017 - 5:34pm

I have the video but it is hard to keep it up. Trying though. The belly part is hard

Aging gracefully

November 21, 2017 - 5:49pm

Which video? This work isn't an exercise program, but about learning the whole woman posture. The exercises that Christine developed are meant to be done at your own pace and ability, and help to gain that goal. Another important thing you can do is whole woman walking. There is no hurry or rush into this work, or set way.
Everything we do with this work is meant to help pull our organs into the lower belly where they belong and pin them there. That's when we can really reap the benefits of this work.

AJhiker

November 21, 2017 - 6:42pm

I purchased the streaming videos, she talks about the posture, has a ten min workout and gives some background info.

Aging gracefully

November 21, 2017 - 6:55pm

So the fundamentals video. This a great beginning into this work; It would be a good idea to go over it, and the accompanying toileting video to get a good basic understanding of this work.
Don't get too hooked on the enemas as they can be invasive and possibly slow things down over time, making you more dependent on them.
You will find that with the whole woman work, you can continue to pull the rectum into proper alignment, making flushing and splinting less necessary.

Aging gracefully

November 22, 2017 - 6:41am

OOps, my mistake. It is more than likely the whole woman solutions to pelvic organ prolapse. This one is very comprehensive, and well worth the study. With this work, it is a good idea to delve into the concepts to get a real good understanding of what natural alignment is all about. We are each responsible to do this for ourselves, and the benefits are for our whole body.

Farmer2017

November 22, 2017 - 9:38am

this is an awesome forum. I'm sorry for this rectocele, but it is good to know I am not alone. I was diagnosed with a small rectocele and had never heard or read about prolapse of anything. It is tough having poop issues. I have been mindful and practicing the whole woman posture and feel the difference. What has worked for me having a bowel movement is to put my hands, palms down, on the toilet seat, lift my butt up keeping a slight curve in the lower back and aim my anus towards the toilet. It is amazing! I am having full bowel movements. Of course, when I wipe, sometimes there seems to be some poopies there and I fill a water bottle up and use it to clean myself. If poopies keep coming out, I put vaseline on toilet tissue and wipe the whole area. Actually, it feels like my rectum is coming out. So I push it back in after I have cleaned my self. Sometimes this process takes a minute especially if my diet has included foods are not clean for me. I have also been taking 1/2 teaspoon of magnesium citrate with a glass of water about an hour before bed. That might be helping too. If I am having issues, I take a natural stool softener/laxative seneka (something like that). Had I not come across this site, I might have subscribed to the mesh implants thinking that was the only way to correct this situation. Thank goodness for the Whole Woman.

AJhiker

November 22, 2017 - 12:43pm

This recent upset started to make me scared to eat and I broke down crying a few times because I just want to be normal and live a normal life. Recently I was talking to a doctor that has a rectocele too and she was saying that she didn't know anything when it happened to her and neither do other doctors. The best you can learn is from people that have these problems, how awful is this of a thing?! My ob when I was pregnant and others in her office should have known something instead it's like once the baby came out they were done with me and just wanted to send me to support groups for depression which I couldn't go to because my stitches were so tight I couldn't walk and I had all this pressure and pain, which I discovered through google was prolapse. It's been 10 months and still weekly I think about all they things they could have said that would have prevented this, instead they didn't say anything and gave me bad advice. If not for the bad advice I would be prolapse free, at least as far as I would notice if there was one.

So with me recent upset I stopped my daily routine of magnesium (I take the plexus brand Biocleanse which is 380 mg of magnesium hydroxide) and ended up with having poop not come out and my muscles being too tight so instead of getting an urge it would just fill up my prolapse. The pressure down there was so great, it may have gotten worse but what I learned from this was not to change too many things at once. the Mag was working for me, I take it at bed time at 10 or 11 and I poop with no issues anywhere from 9-10 am. if my diet was a little off then I might poo earlier or later but I just get the urge and can go and it would all come out as far as I knew. I barely thought about my prolapse. I messed up when I did not keep this routine and my body started trying to do two - three poops a day and they were not big enough to have enough pressure to come out, just little ones. And my muscles became so tight. The magnesium is a muscle relaxer and was helping that problem. So i am back on my original regimen and just making sure not to eat too much fat at lunch and dinner.

This is what has been working of me, the WW posture seemed to as well. From my troubles this past week I have learned a few things and in case they may help you here they are.
- Using caster oil around the anus can help relax the muscles there to aid poop coming out, the process is called caster oil heat packs and my PT said a lot of her prolapse patients use this. I believe it's not a good idea if breastfeeding though, in case it gets into the milk. I did try it and it helped. I am not breastfeeding for a day or two so that i could use this method at least once. It's a process of rubbing the oil around the sitz bones and tail bone then applying heat.
- and if something was just down there and no peristalsis to push it on out a few sips of coffee helped start that up again.

Initially i did the thing where you stick your finger up your vagina and push the poop in the prolapse out but found that if I just relax most of the time it will come out without that (I don't know about other grades of prolapse but I have heard from other 1's and 2's that it usually fixes itself by the next bowel movement, as long as your routine is on track)
-it sounds gross but during the tough time i used my squatting potty and put a large bowl under it to act as a chamber pot so that i could do a wide squat, the trouble poop came out much easier that way and when it seemed stalled if i moved my knees closer together it would speed it back up and out. I think now i'm back to being able to position myself on the toilet seat but for those really hard ones that was the only thing that worked.
-I also see a pelvic physical therapist, I know a lot of people are down on the PT but it has done several helpful things for me, the problem is finding one that understands. mine has a prolapse herself and has helped me with muscle issues and tightness in my inner and back of thigh stemming from my hips not going back correctly after child birth and strategies for prolapse. they can't do everything you need but it has helped me.

I don't know if magnesium would help you, it's all a guess and test situation. some people use bran or psyllium husks, I found that made more trouble for me as well as black beans, red meat, too much cheese, and spinach unless in very small amounts. I can do a little bit of red meat and a little bit of cheese but 4 oz of steak no way or a grilled cheese no way as well. It sounds gross but look at your poop, see what's in the problem ones and eating isn't as stressful. If fat is slowing things up and making it hard I found that the poop looks clay like in form. I've been working on the idea that if I can just taste something that's all i need for items like ice creams and unhealthy foods, I did this by reminding myself that it doesn't matter how much of the bad food i want, it will never satisfy me I will always need more. For instance I have an issue with recess peanut butter cups and too much peanut butter and sugar is no good so i just eat one and saver it but know that even if i have two or four i will still want more so i'm not getting anything more out of eating more than one and the first one is always the best tasting. (i had a sugar addiction and have a food science and human nutrition degree so i'm already familiar with food issues).

I don't know if any of this will help you but after not knowing anything and having no help i just really want to share with anyone else suffering the same.

AJhiker

November 22, 2017 - 12:52pm

I agree, reading other peoples stories helps tremendously. The weird things we have to do now to poop! Before this I did not talk about bathroom stuff, like don't even say the word fart. now i'm all "yea just squat and poop on the floor" and "my poop looks like. . . or was the size of . . ."

Farmer2017

November 22, 2017 - 1:42pm

isnt that the truth!

Aussie Soul Sister

November 22, 2017 - 2:12pm

Hi AJhiker and Farmer,
I hope the following is of some help..
I managed rectocele ( I just knew I didn't want surgery), which appeared during my second pregnancy and luckily found Christine's work after 17 yrs when prolapse was worsening and hip issues had become painful crunching along with the instability.

Now I know that hip issues along with prolapse are related. Our posture causes tight shortened fascia, and muscles and imbalance between the sides of the body. The resulting skeletal issues with hip instability and prolapse often go together and I made the connection after adopting WWposture and the concussion of the hip immediately stopped.

After doing the posture for more than 1 year, I used Christine's Save Your Hips program which evened out both sides of my body, and restored my contracted limbs, balance and inner ear balance, as well as relieving me of knee pain when climbing stairs, the hip instability and no more aching in the hip joints at night.

As for elimination,I used to have very large rounded BMs especially after each birth with the rectocele, and when I went to visit my parents it would happen as well..

I never found using splinting helpful, and I used to use a lubricant if I was having trouble and now don't need to.
It has been an experiment over the last few years, however I have managed mine with being in posture as much as possible,( feet,thighs and torso become really strong), using fire breathing and belly toss if I have the occasional issue, playing with diet and using Christine's toileting advice.I tend to do a semi squat over the loo, but have the strength to do that now.

I didn't go for 2 days while away last week and caught up the next day with very little discomfort with the first BM and no intestinal discomfort the whole time...

As for magnesium, I found taking too much pulled too much water into my bowels making the rest of me dehydrated, so I plan to take a minimal amount mainly for the little extra relaxation effect -I am going to try half a tab at night- chemist out of stock at moment.

Everyone has different success and ideas with diet... and there is not a one fits all diet.
For me I find that animal products including dairy and eggs slow things down, I also was starting to get arthritic fingers, and stiffer muscles, and that has gone away 99%. I eat a starch based diet and my weight is also much easier to manage...elimination is usually much easier there is no more discomfort in my intestines.

Best wishes,
Aussie Soul Sister

AJhiker

November 22, 2017 - 4:03pm

Yea the splinting seemed to give me more problems, not that enema's are the best things because, as I now know, but that seemed a lot more helpful for a lot of stuckness in there. the splinting made me tighten up and stop the poo'ing so then even if it did empty it refilled and i made my perineum sore. only one time did it stimulate a bowel movement but I think my body was halfway there already I just sped it up. if it ever happens that I don't go in the morning the amount of anxiety is intense but like with you, it does come the next day. I don't do much dairy since constipation after birth, usually if i do it's a sprinkle of cheese or a cup of milk so it hasn't been a problem except for recently when i wasn't paying attention to how much i had at lunch and dinner in addition to eating it with a problem food spinach, so it's a good reminder. I also cut down on meat, i'm a nutritionist so I was already on that path but sadly none of my knowledge occurred to me and no lightbulb until after I started having the constipation issues after pregnancy, sleep deprivation kills. That's awesome that the way you eat helped your arthritis and things! I think this group of people is the most dedicated to the way they eat than any group that has a chronic issue. I mean it's pretty common that people who just had a heart attack go out and eat crap again.

I have heard that most of the time people take 400 mg of magnesium and in some cases as much as 1000 mg (that just seems too much) the type matters too. I tried to half my 380 dose and ended up with problems. How much is half a tab for you? just curious.

Aussie Soul Sister

November 23, 2017 - 4:21pm

Hi, magnesium along with diet is so individual.
I used to take a lot to help with BMs, however don't need it as much because I have that mostly under control.
I don't like taking any supplements, however I can't get the tablets anymore to cut in half when I went to buy some yesterday. They only have capsule form and the dose is written as "made (from magnesium orotate dihydrate 803mg )52.7 mg". It recommends 2 daily with food.
I don't know what the dose was on the other tablets I had because I don't have the container anymore...
The assistant said I could pull apart the capsule.
I haven't decided what to do yet or how much to take.
I think a lot of supplements have way more than we need in them.
I haven't done much reading lately on magnesium, but will do some more when time permits and make up my mind how much is necessary.
See how you go, and I notice from your previous posts that you have a lot of restricting scar tissue and a consult with Christine was recommended. Because you have individual issues apart from rectocele she would be the one to ask as she is an RN and has years of research behind her.
We are individuals who are very grateful for Christine's work thus help others here as we were helped, but there is a limit as to what we can do here.

All the best and let us know how you are going,
Aussie Soul Sister

Lacy Ann

January 20, 2018 - 8:05am

AJhiker, I hope you're doing better. If you read this and are still having problems, maybe looking into a vegan diet could help. I suffered from irritable bowel syndrome for over ten years. I'd be constipated for weeks on end and then suffer intense diarrhea for days on end, sometimes losing as much as 8 lbs in one sitting! Doctors never suggested I change my diet. I became a vegetarian and noticed that the more animal products I eliminated from my diet the better I felt and the more regular I became on the toilet. I finally made the step to go vegan and honestly have great bowel movements, daily, except when I'm pregnant, but that's a whole other issue. I understand that you obviously have other issues going on down there, but just some food for thought.