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Aging gracefully
February 12, 2018 - 6:01am
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Hi VSarajevo and welcome,
Hi VSarajevo and welcome,
It sounds like you have been through the ringer with these doctors, and they may not be able to tell you anything differently from here on out, but that is really up to you if you want to continue that route. I personally didn't go to the doctor when I found my prolapse; I think your instincts are telling you something is happening in your vagina, and you are right to question that.
Here is the prolapse self exam to better clarify things a little better:
https://wholewoman.com/library/content/articles/prolapseselfexam.pdf
With whole woman you will find the most natural way to help you pull those pelvic organs out of the vaginal space and into the lower belly where they belong, and that starts with learning the whole woman posture. Have a good look around on this site and learn about Christine's teachings and methods that will help you better understand what is actually happening to your body and proactive measures to start reversing those nagging symptoms.
Surviving60
February 13, 2018 - 5:32am
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VSarajevo
I agree with AG, you need to get off the merry-go-round with these doctors. You are getting useless and even harmful advice from them. One big red flag for me was the suggestion that your vaginal walls are collapsing. A vault prolapse is virtually non-existent among women who have their uterus. If you avoid surgery and all this kegeling and egg stuff, and start to learn how to manage your pelvic organ support system naturally and make sure you are emptying the bladder completely, you can end this ridiculous cycle.
We cannot tell you not to see a doctor if you have a concern. But if it's important to you to be able to have regular medical checkups, then I guess you need to keep looking for someone you like, and arm yourself with enough information to enable you to take or leave what they tell you. I am another one who has never sought out a formal diagnosis of my prolapse. I have never felt the need and frankly don't want to hear their take on the matter.
I think your instincts are good and I think you'll find what you're looking for here! - Surviving
Typicalme
February 13, 2018 - 4:10pm
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diagnosis
Hi vsarajevo - I think the diagnosis isn't as important. I know in the beginning it WAS pretty important to me but from what I've learned, the organs are constantly moving so depending on the day, time of day, whether you were lying down or standing up - it's always going to look different to whoever's examining you.
If they're saying your bladder is decending, then that's a cystocele. I think the one dr who told you your vaginal wall was collapsing *may* have meant that your vaginal wall is bulging... and that's a prolapse.
the recurring uti's is also another indication - as well as that bulge you felt yourself.
So i'd take the safe road if i were you and continue on as if you have a cystocele.
the solutions that you will find here won't hurt you, even if it's not a cystocele whereas surgery might.... i personally will try everything before surgery.
The good news is that you can live with this and you can reduce any symptoms you're having.
You'll definitely want to stop wearing jeans - unless they're pretty loose. I actually went out and bought new maternity jeans even though i'm not pregnant.... and lots of leggings. I don't want any waistband cutting into me when i sit, and I sit a lot between work and getting to work.
that's not to say you can't wear whatever you want - you'll just have to learn what feels good, better or worse. I actually wore a skirt with a firm waistband for a function I went to- but I knew I'd be standing more than sitting.... that same night I wore panty hose and heels and I've come out none the worse for wear.... but I wouldn't do that every day.
As far as the materials, I started with first aid for prolapse and the book. That covered enough to get me started in the beginning of this journey.
VSarajevo
February 14, 2018 - 11:04am
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Self exam
After completing the self exam today (thanks for the helpful link Aging gracefully) I am confident that I do have a cystocele. While bearing down, the bulge gets bigger, and I can run my finger around the bottom and sides of it. I have a couple more questions. Since I am having a problem with recurring UTI's which video has an explanation of how to completely empty the bladder? Or is it as simple as getting down on all fours in the shower as I have read on the forum? Leaning and lifting forward while on the toilet doesn't seem to help but I have tried the shower position twice and got a little more out. After the first time in the shower, my UTI symptons returned and bothered me the rest of the day. I'm curious what that might mean. Having completed now three rounds of antibiotics, I am desperate to rid of this infection finally. So is there a video with helpful tips for recurring UTIs? Also is the First Aid for prolapse included in the Fundamentals program? From what I've read it does not. I was going to go for the whole program, but if First Aid is the most helpful I guess I will start w that. Can I just say I am bummed I can't wear jeans comfortably anymore :(
Aging gracefully
February 14, 2018 - 2:13pm
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Hello VSarajevo,
Hello VSarajevo,
Yes, the First Aid is a very good start into this work, and covers so much more than the Fundamentals does.
Complete emptying is only the beginning and just one of the tools we use, but there is really so much more to it than that. Pulling those pelvic organs into the correct alignment with the posture, proper toileting, jiggling and firebreathing all help get that bladder in better positioning so that complete empty is more successful. The urethra can be kinked preventing the bladder from being able to empty completely, but over time with this work, you will start to see these UTI symptoms dissipate as the urethra straightens out.
Another important factor here is that antibiotics kill off the healthy bacteria along with the bad ones. No one is suggesting that you don't take care of a UTI this way, but hopefully over time, you won't need to. Christine also has a lecture series on bacterial health in our bodies that would be well worth visiting. She tells us how honey is a very amazing prebiotic that helps build the good bacteria into our bodies. Once you have built back up a healthy number of the good bacteria that resides in your bladder, vagina, and anus, there will be less room for the bad ones to take over. There is more in her lecture that is so eye opening and shows us where our health really begins, and how simple solutions are all we need.
Keep practicing the complete emptying, but also get going on the whole woman posture and tools; there is so much wonderful knowledge to absorb, and keep reading the forum and whole woman site. Lots of great tidbits that only compliment the work even more.
Aging gracefully
February 15, 2018 - 11:37am
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Another great post from
Another great post from Christine:
https://www.wholewoman.com/forum/comment/57401#comment-57401
She always has the best way of explaining things!
VSarajevo
February 16, 2018 - 2:54pm
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Solutions vs first aid
I apologize for miscommunicating- I meant to ask if the First Aid video is included in the Whole Woman Solution to Prolapse pkg. (not Fundamentals). If not, then I guess I should still start with the First Aid video. It would be nice if it was part of the complete pkg.
Aging gracefully
February 16, 2018 - 3:17pm
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Hi VSarajevo,
Hi VSarajevo,
It isn't that I am aware of, but it covers just about everything else you need to know, and if you look, it has 5 bonus videos that are all helpful in their own way, including the 3rd wheel yoga video which is one of my favorites.
Bu then the First Aid is one of my favorites too! Decisions, decisions...