Can anyone explain this please?

This is how i say about posture - In words i understand - lol

Internal pressure is like a spring that works the wrong way. When you put posture in - It is like a lil lever that sends the pressures forwards... I dunno about pubic bone stuff but the way I say it is..

You hold your belly 'proud' as in not hard but held - lift your upper body and it pulls the lower body in to a proud held belly - ie not saggy lax one lol

Then inside of you the space in there kind of realigns itself - there are pressures inside - like when you sneeze you feel this by feeling things move inside (some people wet themselves when sneezing because of these pressures and stuff)

The pressure is sent from pushing DOWN to pushing FORWARDS a bit - this holds the innards - In some way i dont have words for lol - I think that it is like a lil hand that is holding you up and forwards a bit - This hand is Internal pressures (In my very ultra basic mind lol)

Does that help any at all?

Someone else will arrive with better words than I - lol...

I have noticed since starting posture - that if i stand with butt and top of back against the wall - the space that once held one hand - behind my back - now would hold two - maybe 2.5

Help any?

Sue

Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
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I will be very honest with you. when I first started all of this, my cystocele got worse. I'm not sure if my very old posts are still here, you can look for them if you are so inclined. I didn't see positive change for about a year, and even then it was not monumental.
the BIG change was in my head and heart. I no longer felt damaged, alone, etc etc and that allowed me to build a healthier lifestyle and learn to accept my prolapse and live well with it.
I know that right now, that does not seem like good news.
but it is good news, because I went on to have another child, I have no incontinence, sex is real good, I have no pain. I feel like a woman, whole and healthy, even on 'bad prolapse' days. after the initial worsening, it hasn't gotten any worse.
so in my mind, there was probably not much I could have done to prevent that worsening, but I feel that all the measures I am not taking are stabilizing everything.

still with me?

now on to the posture....

I've also wondered how the posture could possibly LIFT my bladder back up over the pubic bone. I think its a matter of allowing the fascia, muscles and ligaments to return to their natural shapes, kwim? for so long I've tucked my bottom, thereby stretching out these supportive structures. by standing differently now, they can begin to regain shape, to some degree.
also, the firebreathing really did move things UP for me, and the posture helped keep them there.

baby's crying......

la la la! so when you hold your head high- and lift your breasts and lift your tailbone it pulls your organs up- so if your bladder is below the pubic bone but your uterus is not- then as your uterus is pulled up and forward it brings your bladder with it.

improvement? well I get worse and then back to the same but I think this process is going to take a few years-
do you know how to fire breathe? this will use your breath to bring your bladder up and forward-
I feel like crap today too- my uterus is now trying to join the other two celes in the race to get out-
I am redoubling my efforts and hope it isn't a lost cause.
you need to go through this sadness. and I am realizing that you go through it more than once- but each time you bounce back a little quicker.

Hi Zoe

Time for my tuppence halfpenny worth.

Go get a plastic laundry bucket and three plastic freezer bags. Fill the bags with water and seal the tops Put them in the bottom of the bucket so they are half on top of each other. Put the bucket on a level surface then tip it over to almost horizontal. You will see that the bags will slide over each other and will end up resting on the side of the bucket rather than the bottom. Now sit it up again and think about the following.

The bags of water are like your uterus, bowel and bladder, floppy and mobile. The bottom of the bucket is your pelvic floor and the circular edge is like the bottom rim of your pelvis and the sides are like a cylinderish thing bounded by your rigid bony spine at the back, pelvic bones at the sides, and the front of your belly at the front. When your butt is tucked under, lumbar curve more straight, and your tummy muscles pulled in, it is a bit like the bucket standing up.

When you tip it over you are allowing your lower back to become more curved forward (re-establishing your lumbar curve) by liftng your breastbone and boobs; letting your belly out in front of your pubic bone so the water-filled bags flop forwards and rest on the inner wall of your belly; and the pelvic floor becomes diagonal instead of horizontal.

If you had a crack in the bottom of the bucket and you were carrying lead shot instead of bags of water the best way to carry the bucket would be tipped semi on its side so the load was off the cracked bit and resting more on the strong sides of the bucket.

It is the same with your pelvic floor. In the posture it is more like a door than a floor. Your belly walls are springy when held proud and supported by your ribcage. These intraabdominal forces (from coughing, sneezing, breathing) that Sue describes kind of bounce off your (horizontal) belly wall when in the posture, rather than your (horizontal) pelvic floor when you are in Jane Fonda androgenous gym junkie posture.

Sorry Gym junkies, it is not personal ;-) The trick is to get the pressure off your pelvic floor and allow it to be the pelvic door it really is.

Hope my little flight of fancy helps to clear the picture a bit.

Cheers

Louise

So tucking your bum in and pulling your tummy in is not good for prolapse Is that the gist?

Correct!

And standing sitting tall with tummy relaxed but 'held' rather than sucked in (as I have always been led to believe was good posture?!) is right?

Correct! They lied to us in exercise class. Imagine how you would hang if suspended by a string from the crown of your head, not the top. Your chin will not be pointing upwards (and exaggerating your cervical curve). You won’t see your tummy because your boobs will block the view (and your thoracic curve will be flattened slightly). Your shoulders will be open and relaxed. Your pubic bone will be at the same level or lower than your sit bones. Keep your knees unlocked (will make it easy to ‘unslouch’). Avoid the temptation to tense your back muscles to straighten your back. That can be painful. Check out the high tech animation in the videoclip of The Killers’ song called Bones, to see how a skeleton really moves. By the way, the skeleton diagrams we see in books seem to all have been drawn with the skeleton lying down because skeletons don’t stand up very well for artists. Also, the muscles are the other part of the musculo-skeletal system. On the whole the bones are usually in compression, balanced by the muscles being in tension. It is all an amazing, balanced structural miracle, whatever position you are in.

Still not quite sure where the bum comes in the scheme of things though?

Bums have a mind of their own ;-)

Is it basically better to be naturally just where it feels comfortable and not tucked in?

Correct! If your brain can handle TMI, think Porn Queen, but just don’t act it out. ;-) The posture does the right things when it comes to positioning the pelvic organs but it also encourages us to confidently celebrate our femininity and all those female bits. Be proud of the boobs God gave you, and dress them comfortably and attractively. Celebrate the soft belly that grew with your beautiful babies and warms your man’s tummy when you embrace. Allow it to freely move where it will. Show off the hips that define you your female shape and cradled your growing babies before they were born. This body is sacred. Love it.

And I love your little affirmation in your signature. It is so true.

Cheers

Louise