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You certainly made me smile! :o)

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straight away and it made me laugh out loud.

Frankie x

Well, I nearly lost it completely!! A squeezy bottle with runny lubricant or balm would be a very good idea. Normally the runny lubricants are so hard to handle, and they come in those nasty little bottles with tops that need fingernails to open the lid. Aaaarrrggghhh!!!

Cheers

Louise

Hi Kit,

Thanks so much for the endorsement! We're very open to developing the products further and a bottle applicator is a great idea. I've developed a difficult vulvar condition menopausally and could not get by without the balms. Frankly, that's why they exist...I need them and I wanted other women to have them too. Thanks again, C.

We used bliss balm during intimacy. It made him and me very raw after wards. Normally we use the KY and he has been restoring his foreskin so there isn't as much friction as there was when he had less skin. Hope that makes sense to you all. For some reason, maybe we didn't use enough, we burned towards the end of our time together. Is that normal? Should we use the KY with the balm? I really like whats in it btw. I do feel it helps my tissues repair them selves. Just wondering about the bliss balm.

Sorry if this is TMI.

~FW

I have ordered all three Whole Woman balms! Are you on commission?

Seriously though, I do sometimes get soreness in the perineal area and at the vaginal opening, and I am very much looking forward to trying these balms out. I have also ordered another copy of the blue book. I ordered this book 6 months ago before it was properly bound and covered. The blue book will now become my copy and the older copy will be my lending out book, starting with my osteopath.

Frankie x

Frankie - I'm so glad you brought this up. I also have soreness in the perineal area and also redness and irritation at the vaginal opening. I know it's not from relations with my husband - he's had a very bad cold and I've been avoiding him for several weeks. I don't think it's a yeast infection, as none of the other symptoms associated with that are present.

My gut feeling is that, now that I'm sitting forward all day at work, trying to use a Whole Woman sitting posture, that I've irritated myself.

I've tried using the Whole Woman vulva balm and it has not helped. Does anyone have any suggestions? Unfortunately I have a desk job. I really don't know what to do. Yesterday was my worst day - it hurt so much I actually felt like going home early. Thank you.
Goldfinch

there was good post just recently on sitting, it is possible to sit further back on your sit bones and keep in posture. it takes a bit of rocking backward and forward and trial and error to get the balance right ime. Have you tried getting a different chair to sit on? A wide stool as Christine suggests will give the ability to be able to alternate how you sit a bit more, I alternate between sitting, kneeling and sitting crossed legged.

Soup xxx

Soup....
If you can remember the post that you're referring to, I'd appreciate it. I looked around and was unsuccessful. Since I work in an office environment, I can't sit on a stool. Part of the problem is that I in no way want to bring any attention to my prolapse problem. There are 20 people in my office, half of them are men. Noone knows what I'm dealing with. I have a fairly high rank, and this is something I just cannot discuss with them. They actually just bought me a new office chair about 6 months ago, since my old one had poor back support. So I'm in a bit of a dilemma.....
Goldfinch

here you go

http://www.wholewoman.com/forum/node/1582

and sending a big {{hug}} cos i know where you are coming from, prior to having my babies i was a manager in a computer software department and one of the only women in a roomful of men and no way would i have wanted to even hint at any of this. luckily my desk had a cover over the other side so you couldn't see how i was sitting....honestly though just any old flattish wide stool might be good to swap between if you have space for both that and your chair. just tell 'em you have a bad back and it helps ;)

Soup

Thank you Kit for your post! I printed it so that I would not 'lose' it. I'm going to start a hard copy file of the posts that I want to keep, so I can go back and reread them at will.

I'm 58 and went through menopause 7 years ago. However, my uterus prolapsed just this July, 2007. My dr also suggested estrogen cream, which I cannot tolerate - it burns.

I think maybe I'm sitting too far forward in my chair, as you mentioned..maybe I'm trying too hard to be in posture. I also raised my chair up last week, and I have a feeling that was a mistake.

I'm assuming you buy aloe-gel in a health food store (?)... and the silk-e is the over the counter product that I see everywhere?

Thank you for your advise. One more question - have you ever tried using the oats liquid in a siz bath? It would be easy to do when you're in a hurry and don't have the time to fill the bath tub. Thank you again for your help and kind words. My prayers and good wishes are with you...

Goldfinch

Dear Fruitful Womb,

I have no way of knowing why the bliss balm affected you that way. The only thing I can think of is that perhaps it paved the way for faster motion, more friction, and hence the rawness.

Please do not use if it causes any kind of problem and no, I wouldn't use it with a glycerin-based product like KY. Quite truly, it’s great on the entire rest of the body and all I ever use anymore on face, arms, legs, etc.

Christine

That's the one, Soup! Thank you for looking for me. Yes - tell 'em I have a bad back - a very good idea!

Goldfinch :-)

I'm sorry, I don't want to offend anyone. I know this is a highly controversial topic in America. What I'm about to tell you comes from a very poor sample. Only myself and the few ladies I know, one of them is my sister. My first was with a man who had a foreskin and sex wasn't rough, there was no friction and I didn't bleed. My sister experienced the same, no bleeding. And a few friends as well (the ones with partners who owned a foreskin), no bleeding. My second partner (I'm not promiscuous,honestly!) was circumcised and sex was violent! I bleed the first few times we had sex. And a few other partners after him were also circumcised and they were also very rough with lots of friction. My husband is one of them. Frustrated, I studied this phenomenon and found something very interesting. A book called "Sex as Nature Intended It". They have a website too. Its graphic, but scientifically kind of graphic. Put the words together and add .com , you'll get there. I wonder if this kind of painful intercourse contributed to my damaged pelvic floor. Husband has been restoring his foreskin for 2yrs now. The extra "cushion" relieves some of the friction. I use to be raw for DAYS afterwards. Now, its not so bad as long as we use adaquit artificial lubrication. I can tell a difference. We used just as much lube before he started restoration and we would both be raw and still burn. Not so much anymore.

Thank you Christine for responding to my post concerning the KY. I'm using the Bliss Balm for vaginal comfort but not for sex.

Not far-fetched at all, FW. I think a large, circumcised penis has the ability to eventually obliterate the once, twice or thrice episiotomized perineum. I’ll check out the site. C.

Fruitful Womb, I appreciate your raising this issue. It is extremely important to both men and women, and like POP, isn't openly discussed. I am very grateful to my mother-in-law, whom I never knew, for having her son left intact, and wish very much that I had been as knowledgeable when my son was born.

Ellen

My first husband wasn't circumcized and insisted that our boys be circumcized. He thought not being circumcized had caused him problems. He never elaborated on them but I thought he was more knowledgable on the subject so I deferrrd to his wishes. He was quite adamant about this.
I know when my boys were born there was a lot of discussion about whether circumcision was really necessary. One doctor even told a friend of mine that it wasn't necessary. He was a male doctor.
If I had to make this decision again I would certainly research it before I made any decisions.
Just another point of view.
Flora

Wondering if it was psychological-social in a world where most boy penises looked like those of a partially erect man (foreskin pulled back.)

I feel so strongly about this I would refuse to marry a man who adamantly insisted he was planning to have his sons circumcised. It would be a deal breaker. This is not for women's sake; it is for the man's sake. Circumcision is to males what PoP surgery is to females. A senseless mutilation resulting in complications that most men do not even realize the cause. Hair growing halfway up the penis (not normal!), scarring, bending of the penis, reduction of sensitivity. Circumcised men will never know what they are missing because the exposed glans (which is not designed to withstand rubbing on fabric, etc.) toughens and develops reduced feeling. Not to even mention the risk of the procedure to the infant; the chance the entire penis could be lost, and even death. And then the pain to the poor child. All for the myth that a circumcised penis is healthier and/or religious reasons. I don't like to argue with people about their religion but personally I cannot get on board with the idea of a God requiring you to cut off the tip of your penis to prove your devotion. Nuts.

Off soapbox now...

There is a 'thing' that runs in my family that caused my brothers to be circumcised...

I paid a LOT of money (£1700+) for my son to KEEP his. With a new operation they can do to fix the problem.

I know in USA it is a thing they do. But they assume it is cleaner and stops disease and they assume that men get goodness knows what illnesses because they are un-circ'd - But - My partner is not circ'd and he has neverhad a problem or disease or anything.

Basically in my opinion - Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in time some man prolly lost his or whatever and talked everyone around him to have this done alo so he didn't feel left out (lol) I do not like to argue about religion but this seems a little weird to me - God put it there - so he is right (yes?) But then removing it is right (?) Is this saying he made a mistake putting it there?

The foreskin is there for a reason. It is not just there for fun or to look good. Underneath the foreskin there is a ring of kinda lumpy things I forget the name of - They are there for a reason and removing the foreskin dulls the sensation these bumpy things give to the man (Dr told me this lol)

If any partner of mine told me he wanted or son circ'd - He would get a FOUL mouthful from me!

But - That is just how I feel. In UK - Circumcision is not the done thing and for religious so called reasons these people usually take their son on a 'holiday' to another country to get it done - I know this cos my mums friends daughters son just went on this 'holiday'

Not a holiday I would wanna go on!

If it is for medical reasons it can still be done easily here. But as I said I chose this other Op so my son could KEEP his. And the op was not a walk in the park - Obviously it hurt (My son was 16 nearly 17 I think) But all is well for him now and he is still in tact :-)

****MY opinion is not meant to upset anyone nor to be a relisious argument - Just my babble***
Sue

Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
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Circumcizion was not a condition of the marriage. In my family circumcizing the male was the accepted thing to have done, my brothers were circumcized. My husband at the time felt he had had problems that he did not want his sons to have so felt circumcision was the best thing to do. He only wanted what he felt was best for our sons.
As I said they were just starting to question whether circumcision was necessary. I did not know of any reason why the boys should not be circumcized, so I agreed.
If I had known of a good reason why they should not be circumcized they would not have been. I don't let any one dictate to me especially where my children are concerned. My religion does not require male children to be circumcized.
I agree if its not broken why fix it. That is one of the reasons I did not have a hysterectomy.
Time and knowledge can change a lot of beliefs as I've learned through the many years I have lived.

Flora

I don't want my perineum obliterated..............and I have had 3 very bad tears- but I love to be intimate with my husband-uncircumsized as he is.....btw my sons are intact-just had to say:) so now what? how do I avoid further damage???? and I know it is TMI but I don't want to have "boring" sex- aahhhhh help.

Hi Goldfinch

Just a hunch. You said you don't have thrush. It is funny stuff, and doesn't always manifest itself the same way.

Have a look at your diet, and try and remove as many sugar spikes as possible, eg white breads and rice, large quantities of sweet fruit, as well as the obvious sugar-laden convenience foods. I didn't think I had a problem until the last outbreak of thrush (which was the first for two years!). I removed *all* the fast-metabolising sugars from my diet (plus some other candida-encouraging suspects) and realised there wasn't a lot left of my normal diet, even though I had thought is wasn't really unhealthy. I kept it strictly for a week, then reintroduced all those yummy foods but now limit them.

Normally redness and soreness hangs around after the normal pharmaceutical treatment, but this time it went altogether very quickly. That was the wake up call for me to change the way I eat.

I haven't actually eliminated anything, just tweaked the balance in favour of whole grains, vegetarian sources of protein, away from so much fruit and more veges, away from convenience foods, away from simple sugars. It is not hard to do and I think has had a very positive effect on my vulva.

Good luck. Life is to short to have an unhappy vulva.

Cheers

Louise

Alemama,

It’s not my intent to make you fearful. I’m sure you will be fine…and you said your husb is uncircumcised, so that will help a lot. It’s just that I’ve talked to many women (including myself!) who have experienced that area becoming extremely thin and fragile – something we were never warned about but very common in this episiotomized, middle-aged population.

You know the drill…good food, no straining, good-but-ever-gentle-sex, posture, yadayadayada.

NO FEAR!

Christine

I'd like to say one thing in regards to genital integrity. I agree with the previous poster, male circumcision and surgical "correction" of POP is strikingly similar. Both are a violation to the human body! Sadly, America is the only developed country that allows such atrocity to continue. Why in the world would parents sign up their newborn boys up for an arbitrary reductive COSMETIC surgery known as Routine Infant Circumcision? Because they don't know better. The more you know the worse it gets. Everyone else in the world (developed countries), gets it! I'm so ashamed. The Doctors who DO know what the American Academy of Pediatrics Policy Statement on Circumcision (which states its NOT NECESSARY)fail to volunteer this information for fear they'll loose a sale. Its a scam. They don't hesitate asking parents if they want their son circumcised!!! That is called solicitation! Its WRONG, UN-ETHICAL, and should be OUTLAWED!!! Which btw, there is a Bill trying to do just that. 1998 infant Female Circumcision became illegal. Type 1 FGM, removal of the clitoral hood and surrounding labia is the same as MGM type 1, removal of the foreskin and sometimes the frenulum. Its a SICK double standard. It continues for a hefty profit for the pharmaceutical companies and cosmetic industry. Search, foreskin for sale. Oprah had this on her show once. A skin care product made from infant foreskin called TNS Recovery Complex. Also, some gynecologist provide human collagen made from infant foreskin to boost the G-Spot in the Vagina! Not kidding, this was at my very own Doctor's office. The same Dr. who tried to use the "IF they CRY they BUY" sale tactic on me when trying to sign me up for a designer vagina after he said my 29 yr old area looked like I was 60. That killed my babymoon! I look forward to aging gracefully! And WHOLE WOMAN will guide me to do just that! I'm so lucky to have found this site! Thank you Peggy O'Mara for leading me here!!!

If you'd like to know more about this Bill, its mgmbill.org
I'm the state office for TX. I've submitted this Bill to all 181 state representatives during the Bill Submission in Jan. Everyone has an inherent right to an intact body!

Sorry for my rant. I am very passionate about this as you can tell. This is the very reason I have my babies at home. If Doctors can violate their number one sacred dictum, "Prenum Non Nocre" - The Hippocratic Oath: First Do No Harm, then what else are the capable of?

Sadly, my firstborn was born in the hospital. Boy did I wise up after that horrible mistake!!! 4th degree episotomy and a forceps delivery. I was given NO chance to push on my own. NEVER AGAIN!!! My other 3 born at home. First born is also marked with my ignorance. I beat myself up over that every day of my life!!!! I really didn't want it done but my husband did. A few years after he was born we learned the devastating effects of circumcision. God put it there for a reason! The New Testament says its not necessary. Didn't know that until later either. Man, I feel so stooopid! But now that I know better, I have done better.

Kit, I'm sorry. I don't mean to derail your thread. I feel this is a topic worth discussing because it does effect women and the Balms inspired this train of thought. The "MYOB" cultural phenomenon just baffles me. If people continue to be DEAD FISH in our society (go with the flow)...Voltaire says it best: Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Circumcision has always been a "solution" in SEARCH of a problem. The history of this practice is absurd! Its not what you think. IT was practiced way before the Biblical account of Abraham. The way it started in this country is disgusting. If you want, I'll be happy to list it for you from the time it began in America to its present form. I didn't do that now because it would be a really long post if I did.

Christine, your absolutely right! We humans are SUPPOSE to be attracted to the exposed glans of the penis: When its erect!!! An uncircumcised penis will look like a circumcised penis when he is aroused (with out the scar of course). But to see that on an infant!!!!??? That is not something I'm comfortable seeing on a kid.

One last thing, I promise. Most pediatricians do not know how to care for the intact child (I have two intact boys). My children's pediatrician told me the only thing they're taught in medical school concerning the intact male's foreskin is how to cut it off!!! I have a cousin who is a doctor, he said this too. My goodness! So I explained to him to NEVER retract a boys foreskin. It isn't fully retractable until the child reaches adolescent due to the hormones flooding his body at that time. Teaching a child to care for himself is simple by telling him to remember the three R's - Retract (the retractable foreskin) Rinse, Replace. During infancy a care provider should wipe the outside like a finger, simple. The foreskin is FUSED to the glans when he is born and until natural separation begins. Its sole purpose is to protect the meatus(pee hole) from soiled diapers. WHO KNEW!!! God definitely knew what he was doing when he created our bodies.

Forgive me for being long winded. Thanks for reading :)

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Can someone direct me to where i can order balms., can,t find it on site

Has anyone tried sylk i need something but replens is terrible forme

Hi vickiw - this post is old and there haven't been any balms sold on the site for a long time. You can put some terms in the Search box and look for discussions. - Surviving

I'm always running into things here I haven't seen before and am glad to see so many side issues brought forth. Of course, circumcision and non-circumcision is relevant to our POP condition. It is as important to our sexual health as it is to our husbands'. I'm sorry to say we allowed our first two sons to be circumcised (according to standard American medical practice) before we both wised up as to what it is about. Finding out about the reason for the practice and considering the results of his circumcision was enlightening to my husband, explaining so many problems he encountered from puberty on. We at least saved our last son from it. It wasn't, however, because we were already enlightened. It was because he was born under the public health system (for us 'poor folks') and wasn't part of the paid package. So much for the advantages of the "rich"....the poor rich who always get screwed while the poor poor get lucky. Wonder what the statistics are? How many poverty level males have their happy foreskins?

Anyway, natural responsiveness (sensitivity) in both male and female make for a healthier, happier sexual relationship which (I believe) makes healthier and happier organs.

I realize the conflict in my wording above. We had begun to question the practice of circumcision by the time the last son was born, otherwise we might have tried to find the money to pay for it. We later researched and proved our suspicions. (Trust your doubts...find them out!)

Dear wonderful ladies,
Circumcision
The trend seemed to be routine to circumcise baby boys until about 35 years ago in Australia , however I have known sons of friends & family who have had the procedure during their 1st 10 yrs.
One Dr forced her son's foreskin back & tore it - my distressed friend told me - she knew that was wrong - that led to circumcision, regardless of the reason for the Dr visit in the 1st place.
Some of the reasons I've heard over the yrs is the lack of hygiene of boys not "washing" themselves properly, or a "tight" foreskin. As Forum member Fruitful Womb said the ignorance of the medical profession is staggering (foreskins are not meant to be retracted until they "release" after puberty.)

We had girls, however because they had a history of UTI's caused by reflux in the kidneys ( another reason a boy I knew had circumcision) - we were told that if we had a boy, they should be circumcised to prevent UTIs if they had kidney reflux. When I asked the Drs about the possible procedure - because it is not routinely done anymore the child would be more at risk because of Drs lack of experience.
I have heard that this procedure in some countries, could have started (apart from religion), as the result of men suffering problems with their foreskins during the rigors of war, living in muddy trenches, etc - I don't know if this is true.
Gentle Sex
This is something that I've been thinking about lately. Damage from episiotomy x3 & gradual thinning, tearing & now a burning pain etc on the attempt at intercourse, has led me to reread this thread.
I do use coconut oil as I found other fruit based lubricants in the past stung the damage. Taking a little coconut oil internally, & using it topically in the vulva & perhaps some changes due to peri -menopause or other factors, have meant no more irritation or need to wear panty liners for any discharge. I had almost constant severe itching in the vulva area for about 5yrs, except during periods.
I feel less alone in this - thankyou for restarting this thread Vickiw.
I have to explain to my girls that the type of sex portrayed in the media is not loving, caring & typical, it is often rough like rutting pigs & where it can be like that at times when young, it is also portrayed like that in older people. It can set us up in later life to feel less than adequate, when we may need to put on the brakes...
Blessings to everyone!!
Have a great WW day,
(((hugs)))
Best wishes
Aussie Soul Sister

or the faculty of making happy discoveries by accident. I had my first child in West Germany (a nation still divided at that time) and circumcision was not a generally recommended practice as it was at that time in my own homeland Australia. Having due respect for European science generally and German particularly, this led me to some thinking. When upon inquiry I was referred to a Jewish Rabbi who would perform the operation, naturally some dawning occurred. Upon return to Australia, I was greeted with the medical arguments that I was risking my son developing cancer, and although anxiety and guilt invoking I was not so confident about that at all any more and so resisted the call to confirm. Of course, now that he is in his forties, I have ceased worrying, but it was one of those anxieties that revisited every now and again when the subject matter arose, now of course the tide has turned and here it is general practice not to circumcise. In Germany, I believed it has subsequently been banned as child abuse, but this was fought by certain religious groups as discriminatory and I believe overturned. One can't expect to know everything at a young age when most of us are child bearing, we can strive to learn more of course, but we will be receiving no end of conflicting advice from people of authority. A little serendipity from time to time is most welcome.
As to rough sex Aussie Soul Sister perhaps this is meant to excite the men in the audience, as for me its a whole turn off. I am quite sure young men in general would not be trying to emulate this surely? It looks more like a man yielding a battering-ram than anything to do with sex and I always thought it a literary device to depict an angry sadistic man or masochistic partner, or in comedy, some nonsense about a very fragile wooden bed about to collapse just like a proud man slipping on a banana skin.

Dear fab,
It is so interesting to read of your experience. Thankyou
As to the scaremongering by people of authority - They make otherwise healthy people fearful for themselves or other's future health if they don't comply, & its mostly a remote possibility or a downright lie.
As to the sex ( vigorous urgency may be a better description) portrayed in the media - how many young people believe what they see portrayed as the norm? - I do hope not many. I hope they see it as it is - a marketing ploy...
Best wishes
Aussie Soul Sister