When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
If you are already a registered user you may now log in and post. If you have lost your password, just click the request new password tab and follow the directions.
Please review and agree to the disclaimer and the forum rules. Our moderators will remove any posts that are promotional or otherwise fail to meet our guidelines and will block repeat offenders.
Remember, the forum is here for two reasons. First, to get your questions answered by other women who have knowledge and experience to share. Second, it is the place to share your results and successes. Your stories will help other women learn that Whole Woman is what they need.
Whether you’re an old friend or a new acquaintance, welcome! The Whole Woman forum is a place where you can make a difference in your own life and the lives of thousands of women around the world!
Best wishes,
Christine Kent
Founder
Whole Woman
MeMyselfAndI
September 24, 2007 - 1:57pm
Permalink
S.......
If you are not ready - tell him...
If you are just worried about the POP then dont be - In fact it will make things better!!
When the penis is inside the vagina it pushes the POP back where it should be and I have found it feels better for anything up to a month!
So do not fret over this - when you are laid back or whatever the POP will return to a position where he wont even feel it or see it
Do not worry - Take it easy and tell him you are worried and to take it slow - all will be well :)
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
kiki
September 24, 2007 - 2:13pm
Permalink
when you're ready...
I agree, wait till you are ready. there's no point rushing it.
but what about being intimate without intercourse...that might help ease you back in? and then just trying intercourse for a few moments to see how it feels and stopping. baby steps, helpful for you and i'm sure your partner won't say no!
i know i was terrified. my physio prescribed sex as my homework one week (she's very popular with my partner!). and i was worried, but it was fine and it's true--it does help things. I often find i feel worse for a few hours, and then loads better for a few days...
experiment with positions to see what feels best.
and as for what they feel, lying down there's probably no difference. standing up yes, it can be felt. but hey, i always prefered horizontal anyway... ;-)
Grandma Joy
September 24, 2007 - 2:51pm
Permalink
Hi mommyof4
No need to apologize for venting. You'll be getting lots of loving feedback from the ladies on this forum.
Now, take a deep breath!! And remember, you are only 9 weeks postpartum, you have lots of healing that must take place. Your position right now is tending to yourself, emotionally as well as physically, loving that new baby(BTW-congrats!!) and mothering the other 3. I would suggest you talk with hubby and tell him you'd like to put the S subject on the back burner for awhile while you take time to heal, that you love him and that you can still have nice, slow lovemaking to reinforce what you mean to each other.
There are several new mothers here on the forum who are either going thru or been thru the same thing since childbirth.
I wish you well - sending hugs.
Love and blessings,
Grandma Joy
MeMyselfAndI
September 24, 2007 - 2:56pm
Permalink
I dont
I dont feel worse for even a moment... Test it gently and you may very well find out that natures pessary can be a penis lolllll
I often say if I get a bad day and that is very rare these days - I say to my partner ''I ned to have use of you'' he looks at me - light goes on - He grins..... lol
Sue
Look into the eyes - They hold the key!
http://www.bringmadeleinehome.com/img/maddy544x150Banner.jpg
jsnyc
September 24, 2007 - 7:31pm
Permalink
hey mommy
please go check out a few of my posts over the past few months. i am 18 weeks post partum and haven't had sex yet. we are going away this weekend, and i am looking forward to doing something, yet concerned about penetration. i have been worried about pain, how it will feel for me, for him, etc. etc. The gals have been great to remind me to take it slow, lead the way...and most express that sex is great....so i am hopefull, although fearful too. don't worry about venting....this is why i am here too. i will let you all know how it goes!!!! bringing christines bliss balm.....j
munecarica
September 24, 2007 - 9:03pm
Permalink
I haven't done it either yet at 18 or so weeks PP!
I have just not felt ready and have had all of the same feelings and worries you have.
I told my hubby the other day, "October will bring sex back!" so any day now when i have a good day i am going to give it a whirl. i'm finally feeling much better on all levels.
I have been depressed too, but now am feeling encouraged. I think if you wait a little longer you'll feel better mentally and be able to consider getting your groove back.
Listen to yourself and your body, and satiate hubby in other ways until you feel that you want sex. I have to say i was inspired by the poster below who said it makes things better for up to a month!
granolamom
September 24, 2007 - 9:45pm
Permalink
postpartum-prolapse sex
two things going on: regular, run-of-the-mill pp apprehensions about sex, and the apprehensions most of us had upon finding a prolapse.
the postpartum thing, I think, is about pain. having recently birthed a baby, you kinda want to baby the area for a while. some women are up for sex a week pp and others not for months. for that I say take it slow, use a lubricant if you need to, and you'll let him know if anything hurts.
the prolapse complicates things. now you've got body image at stake too. I feel lucky that I was able to deal with those two separately, as I didn't find my prolapse until I was 18 mo pp and already happily having plenty of sex.
my dh claims he can't tell anything is different. but I'm not completely sure I believe him, its the 'do I look fat in this' problem. he says 'yes' and I get mad, he says 'no' and I think he's lying.
but the bottom line is, that my dh is enjoying sex just fine. so even if he does notice something is different, is hasn't changed the way he feels about me or his level of pleasure. and that's what counts anyway.
have you spoken candidly about this with your dh? let him know that you're so concerned that things are different there? that you need him to let you know that he still finds you hot and sexy and still wants you regardless of a bulging vaginal wall? because I'm sure he does. and even if it feels different, that doesn't mean it's not as good as before. I imagine that it feels somewhat different anyway, after a vaginal birth. that's life.
it was really hard for me to come to terms with having a prolapse, the psychological stuff was much harder to deal with than the physical symptoms.
so go slow, it takes time.
{{{{hugs}}}}
louiseds
September 24, 2007 - 10:04pm
Permalink
sex after babies
Hi ladies
1 Just remember that every woman for the last 100000 years or so who has ever had two or more births has eventually had to confront the idea of sex for the first time after giving birth. It can't be that bad, unless you get walloped over the head with a big stick and grabbed by your crowning glory and dragged into the bushes for a quick mating session.
2 You are a different person in a way, after giving birth, particularly in the pelvic area. It will probably be no worse than jumping off the high diving board for the first time. It might even be good fun. Hmm ...
3 Do it at your own pace. Use appropriate products to deal with pain and discomfort. Look before you jump, be prepared for a bit of discomfort when you land, make sure nobody is climbing up the ladder behind you, making you feel uncomfortable, or wanting to push you. Also to make sure you can go back down the ladder if you get too scared and try again another day. Keep breathing throughout. Enjoy the feeling.
4 You will do it eventually. Remember that it is only water (ouch!)
5 Once you have done it once you will probably keep wanting to do it again, and again, and again.
Cheers
Louise
kiki
September 25, 2007 - 9:49am
Permalink
Bringing humour to it...
I just thought I'd share some humour that a friend gave me when I was angsting about sex post prolapse.
I was worried about "my bulges" and her thought was "maybe they'll provide added stimulation!".
not only does it make me laugh, but it's a way that i find helpful to talk about how things might feel for my partner "down there." but he swears he can't feel those extra stimulation points...
Forestdawn
September 25, 2007 - 2:53pm
Permalink
I'm 9 weeks pp also and def
I'm 9 weeks pp also and def not ready for sex. Some days I feel i'll never do it again. I feel like a virgin all overagain. In a few more months maybe I'll want to but not yet that's 4 sure.
Don't do it unless ur ready 2. He'll have 2 wait. You've just created a child 4 him. Give urself time to heal mentally n physically
louiseds
September 25, 2007 - 8:44pm
Permalink
Those stimulation points
Hi Kiki
You're right. He's right too. There aren't any extra stimulation points. They are the same old healthy organs. Unless you are heavily into vertical sex with your pelvis tilted back your organs are in very similar positions when your torso is horizontal or even near vertical with you on top. Think about the belly full of Jello. Mmmm ...
Unless you are propped up on lots of pillows and lying back, sort of half sitting up with your vagina and coccyx squashed at the bottom (you now, how they give birth on the telly programmes - Geez I hate seeing that!) all your organs are in their right places, especially if your lower belly is relaxed.
Hey, TV labour position isn't in any of my sex books and I've never wanted to try it because men's spines don't bend backwards. The mind boggles! Anyway, I really don't think men's brains are heavily into perceiving how the furniture is arranged in there when they are bonking away. O no, they are thinking different thoughts entirely LOL.
Cheers
Louise
louiseds
September 25, 2007 - 9:16pm
Permalink
Not ready for sex
Hi All
I think there can be several parts to this decision.
1 Your brain is in 'protecting-the-baby-from-being-eaten-by-carnivorous-animals' mode.
2 Your brain is simultaneously in 'don't-get-pregnant-again-this-baby-needs-my-stored-body-reserves' mode.
3 It is also in 'I-feel-more-like-a-childcare-robot-than-a-sexy-babe' mode, ie the libido is in the wrong universe with all the hormones sending it that way.
4 It is also in 'I-feel-like-my-vagina-is-more-like-a-bag-of-marshmallows-than-a-slick-pleasure-toy' mode.
5 It is also thinking, "This is not my old body. The scrip is new". I haven't done this for a while.
6 This is going to *hurt* for a start. My episiotomy might break open. My vulva has different memories, ie being s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d!
7 The sensations in my vulva and vagina are different. I feel like I am a different woman (one with a baby!). I wonder if he will enjoy it as much with this new, softer woman. I was happy being the old one.
These are just the ones I could come up with from my own experiences a long way back. Yours might not be the same. Mine would be mostly about fear of initial penetration, the vulva bit. And of course sex is about way more than actual coitus, so just do what you are comfortable for the time being and build up a new reality bit by bit for the new woman (and the new man, who has a whole new reason to love you more. I hope it is asleep while you are doing this sex thing. If not, wait until it is or you won't be able to keep your mind on the recreational activities!!)
Ask yourself if any of the thoughts you have is a rational thought. Is there any sense in this thought? Then when you have thought out which ones are irrational worries you can discard the irrational ones by actually giving yourself reasons why they are irrational, and you can work out sensible responses for the others.
BTW, these are not my original thoughts. It is cognitive behaviour psychology. Identify the emotions experienced in a situation, identify the thoughts that go with each of them, decide which of the thoughts is irrational and counter each with a rational reason why it is irrational, then discard them. Take the rational thoughts and find a rational response to them. This literally de-fuses irrational thoughts and comes up with a solution.
And remember, lots of Bliss Balm. It is divine.
Cheers
Louise
alemama
September 26, 2007 - 11:56am
Permalink
#2 all the way
What a fear- and totally rational in my case (hehehe) but we have managed not to get pregnant in those first few months thank goodness.
Mommyof4- You can do it.......One thing that really helped me was just being honest- I am afraid this might hurt- can we take it slow and easy for a while?
and we did for about 6 months- and then I stopped being so sore- and we were able to have a little more variation.
If there is one thing I can say I have learned since having babies it is how to be very patient.
mommyof4
September 27, 2007 - 11:46am
Permalink
You ladies are great!!!!
I feel a lot better after reading all of your posts.I am definitely not ready yet, and he does understand , and is very supportive(I should have added that.)He definitely is not pushing the issue.I just feel bad b/c he has not had it in so long, since I was 16 weeks pregnant(bedrest due to prematurity issue w/3 previous pregnancies and a fetal demise)and now I am 9 wks pp.Reading all your posts makes me realize that atleast I am not the only one that is going/have gone through this, although it feels that way sometimes.Thanks for all your responses.They have really helped.