vaginal itching

Just type itching into the search box up on the top left of this page dickydolly and it will give you some threads on itching. They may help you identify what you are dealing with. Why not try a bit of honey straight away. I know Christine recommends raw honey, but in an emergency whatever honey you have in your cupboard would be worth a try. And perhaps a paracetamol or two.

Best wishes Fab

Yep, go with the honey, it seems to be the all-purpose comfort solution for lots of our members with various different issues. - Surviving

Christine is finishing a rewrite of her lichen sclerosis article in the next day or two. It will be posted in the library and we'll put a post up about it on the forum. Stay tuned...

lanny

i got the same situation. itching for no clear reason at all. :( will check the library.

I believe post-menopausal women become much more subject to fungal infections. Not necessarily candida, but other "jock itch" species that thrive in a more alkaline environment.

Vinegar, along with honey, have given life back to my old vagina/vulva by resolving itching, burning, and little lesions I had for years that I believe to have been fungal. I believe "lichen sclerosis" has a huge hormonal component - but I think the end result is disruption of normal vaginal/vulva flora.

Honey acts as a probiotic, while vinegar destroys pathogenic fungi. Every day or two I pour a little vinegar onto a cotton ball (you might want to dilute it with water - but I use it straight) and rub it quickly around clitoris and labia. Follow with a large drop of raw, local honey placed high in the vagina. Restores health and comfort!

Christine

Christine,

What kind of vinegar do you use? Any particular kind or brand? And where do you purchase raw honey?

Thanks,

sevilla

Christine,

Sorry! Just noticed that you say you use raw, apple cider vinegar. Can this be purchased in regular supermarkets or in a speciality health products store?

sevilla

Christine,

Sorry for so many questions. Was wondering how you insert the honey high into the vagina? Do you use the same kind of insertion tool used for inserting estrogen cream? Or do you do it manually?

sevilla

Hi Sevilla - Lots of posts on honey from Christine and others. I've never heard her say she uses an insertion tool. Just use your fingers to get it as far up as that allows. - Surviving

Any raw, organic apple cider vinegar will do and yes, I think you'd have to purchase it at a health food store.

And the honey...I put the very tip of a wooden spoon in our honey jar, and place a large drop on my opposite fingertips. Then I just put the honey inside - rubbing it quickly around the walls. If you have a bulge, gently move it out of the way. If you have to, lay down - but it really shouldn't take that much effort.

you can google it- but they like to live in the vagina....

Why not just mix the honey with the vinegar?

it's like salad dressing

Apple cider vinegar is an anti-fungus which can help a sub species of tinea/ ring worm which may be what causes vulva itching and redness. It addresses this problem. If you don’t have it you don’t need the vinegar.

Honey is for the general health of the vulva and vagina as they are reliant upon the microorganisms which honey can restore. If water is mixed with honey it loses its low water activity, and therefore no longer possesses this antimicrobial property. Honey can also lose this by mixing with body fluid, so twice a day application is the way to go.

So I wouldn’t mix them. I’d follow what Christine said. Vinegar first, only if you need it, honey next.

Thank you Fab and Christine !
I will follow this advise too!

Christine,
I am a Classical Homeopath who has suffered with LS for some time now. I have tried various homeopathic remedies that have helped for a short time, but the symptoms have always returned. I am so thankful to have found your website, to give me more understanding of what's happening in my body and some simple measures of what do do to help myself. I tried the Apple Cider Vinegar dabbed on a cotton ball twice daily, along with some raw honey every few days. My wretched symptoms of supposed LS are completely gone! It reminded me of when I treated my kids for Molluskum (a viral skin infection) a number of years ago with topical apple cider vinegar, very successfully. It's so great to have also found a forum where I can write about these things to other women who understand! So, here it goes, I'll tell you the "story of my vagina" LOL! For years, I had suspected what I had was fungal in nature for various reasons. About 7 years ago, at age 35, I acquired Athlete's Foot at the gym (no flip flops in the shower--don't ever make that mistake), which drove me batty for a while, until I went to the Dermatologist, and he prescribed a topical anti-fungal cream. The cream worked for my toes, and the Athlete's Foot disappeared, but, interestingly, I began to have itching in my vulva very shortly after. I had the feeling that the fungal infection from my feel moved to my vagina. A few years later, I got a a single eruption, like a nodule, inside my vulva that itched. After a week, it shrunk very tiny, 1mm, but still itched as if it was 10x that size. After suffering for a few years with it, I found a palpable swelling deep on the right side of my vagina, what I thought was my Bartholin Gland (I still don't know what that's about). It had me worried, and I went to the doctor to have the original nodule removed and biopsied. Thankfully, it was negative, and after a few weeks, my vagina healed from the gaping hole of the punch biopsy. Strangely, even though the nodule was excised, the annoying itch was the same, and subsequently, the irritation spread to the left side of my vaginal hairline, excoriated, burning and itching. Also, small fissures on my perineum appeared which would burn when I peed or wiped myself. The doctors diagnosed it as LS, but I resisted taking the steroid cream and have been suffering through the symptoms. I noticed that it would wax and wane with my menstrual cycle, which tipped me off that it was hormonally linked as well. A few weeks ago, after a few months of stress, poor diet, lack of sleep, and uncharacteristic coffee drinking, (my father is being treated fom non-Hodkgin's Lymphoma and was in the ICU with septicemia for a week; plus, I'm a nursing student, mother of two, run a homeopathic practice, etc.) my symptoms flared up really badly, and it was getting me really down. At the same time, my Athlete's Foot started to flare up, and I got an eruption similar to the Molluskum near my elbow. I searched on line, found your article on LS, read these blogs, and how enlightening it has been! The apple cider vinegar made an immediate improvement. Christine, I completely concur in your theory that this is a hormonal imbalance that paves the way for an opportunistic fungal infection. I have also started using Adrenal Support Herbs 3x daily, and today, I started drinking a "Compound Clover Tea," a mix of Red Clover Leaf, Raspberry Leaf, Nettle Leaves, and Rose Blossoms. I plan to take some anti-fungal herbs for a month, in tincture form, as soon as they arrive in the mail. Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to share your brilliant discoveries with all of us. I feel so relieved to put the pieces together and make sense of this, and I look forward to passing the info on to others in need.
Many thanks,
Tigerlilly

Sorry to hear that you have had these nasty conditions. It is great to have another person's history and success story. Hope it continues to go well.

Louise

My story is your story!! Everything except the athlete's foot, but I was exposed to athlete's foot in the years just before menopause and the development of my LS symptoms. I had everything else - the itchy bump, the anal symptoms, the swollen gland - everything! It is astonishing that gynos are diagnosing this as LS, when as you say, some percentage is opportunistic fungal infection.

I believe these findings - that honey and vinegar have value that no pharmaceutical medication can touch is vitally important in an age when many microbial species are becoming resistant to anti-fungal meds. I am betting the strongest of future generations will be the unvaccinated, drug-free, un-dentistried, un-surgerized, highly nourished and herb-wise.

SAVE THE BEES!!!

Christine

Hi Christine whats ith Unvaccinated could you plz elaborate on this ?
My kid has his vaccination appointment next week....this has made me thinking......;....

Hi Bluesky,

For several reasons (not the least of which I'm scrambling to write a book!) I can't weigh in on this topic. Peggy O'Mara from Mothering.com has done more than anyone to research and publicize this issue. Click here to view the vaccination forums.

Christine

I could not bring myself to read more than a few posts about vaccination on this other site “mothering com.” cited above. It seemed that any and every disease which medical science does not have a known cause for rates a mention as being caused by vaccination.

Whether a child develops autism or childhood schizophrenia from having been vaccinated is quite possible, but there is no evidence to suggest that is a fact. The risk then of vaccination causing these diseases is unknown. How you safeguard your precious children from an unknown is rather difficult to imagine. Something a bit like worrying what to do if the sky should happen to fall in, or in the event of the bogey man running out of the wardrobe with a sharp knife. In these cases, every parent would surely fail to protect their child sufficiently.

If one blames vaccination for the cause of a child’s development of a worrying illness, then one would deny one’s subsequent children such vaccinations and in doing so expose them to the risk of death or disability from a childhood disease, a possibility in which people on that site appear to no longer believe.

The fact that we have held in place compulsory vaccination world-wide for many decades means that epidemics as they once occurred no longer do so. Compulsory vaccination has also created an environment where it is possible for some to ignore the mainstream and be unbothered by measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, whooping cough, polio etc.

However, one should remember that it is the received wisdom that compulsory, universal vaccination has achieved this for us along with slum clearance, clean water, sewerage and simple hygiene. One would have to have strong evidence to refute this. I did not find any there. So until real proof to the contrary is offered we have a known; intention, cause, effect and result. Compulsory, universal vaccination has saved many thousands of children from horrible illness, disability and death.

Ask yourself, of those members of your immediate and extended family of the present three generations who have been vaccinated for childhood diseases and those who haven’t ‘how has the course of childhood illnesses run?’ Has someone vaccinated developed autism or schizophrenia? Of those who have not been vaccinated did they then catch a particular childhood disease, die from it or were left with a disability or weakened health? And if the answer is yes to either question, were there other circumstances in play which may have acerbated the condition? Or, conversely are you and your children now in different circumstances? You have now plotted your sensible risk dimension.

Christine, surely you must have known that your comment would elicit a reaction! Maybe when you have a chance, you can revisit this thread. Meanwhile, I have to say that Fab has laid it out pretty well. Aside from the fact that the whole autism/vaccine connection was from a study that was (I believe) seriously debunked a few months back.....Until science can really get a handle on these connections, most of us will probably continue to weigh the possible risks and decide that the benefits outweigh other factors. These are decisions we are making on behalf of our kids, and everyone else who will be coming in contact with our kids. It is a complex issue, no question. - Surviving

I certainly should've thought about it, Surviving! :-/

I just can't put something out there half-way and I haven't gotten into vaccinations deeply enough to say much of anything but personal opinion.

Please disregard my opinion for now.

Christine

This is another area, just like prolapse, where there is a lot of unreliable information out there. It is yet another case for analysing it critically for yourself, before jumping in enthusiastically when free immunisation is offered, without at least considering the risks, and doing it with your eyes open.

We really owe it to ourselves and our families to use our god-given brains to think before acting, in spite of the sales pitch.

BTW, I do this from the perspective of a Mum who was fully immunised herself, and had all her kids immunised fully. We only had one or two episodes of fever the evening following immunisation. Yes, we have two kids with ADHD, but I have it too, and find it difficult to blame it on immunisation. I believe in the concept of herd immunity (Vaccinating 75% of the herd will protect all from an epidemic, then there are enough resources to treat the smaller number of sufferers.) I see immunisation as being not all about me, me, me, but about the welfare of the whole community. There is always a price to pay, no matter which way you decide.

However, it does alarm me that parents are offered so many immunisations these days. Our kids only ever had polio, diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus, rubella for DD, and I think one or two of them got measles and mumps. Now there seems to be a new vaccine offered every year for young kids, in addition to the others. Poor little b*****s end up with so many holes in their arms, legs and bums!

Would I do it again? Not sure.

Louise

Sorry to have to disagree with ya Fab :)
Just because the government mandates something doesn't mean I accept it as the best course of action. These are the same people that brought us Thalidomide!
I've done a pretty intensive study of the history of vaccines and I encourage everyone to do the same. It is a Louise says- big pharma is developing an astonishing number of new vaccines to experiment on the population of tiny humans with. These experiments are ending in death and disease and decreased immunity. The government created a fund to pay for vaccine injury. It's not a myth. It's a reality. Just because you or someone you know are not injured does not mean that someone else was spared injury. It's not conjecture or opinion, though results are of course squashed as much as possible by the pharmaceutical companies and the government.
I encourage you to REALLY do the research and then form an opinion.
and just in case you wanted to know mine, here it is:
1. the current vaccine schedule is unnecessary- Hepatitis for a baby at birth? REALLY? because your baby is going to be having sex and shooting up? The recommendations have increased significantly and so have the risks. Rotavirus vaccine causes many many a death- from intestinal torsion- for a virus that simply doesn't kill enough of the population to warrant vaccinating all babies from it (go for the at risk ones if you must-but again, your baby, your choice).
2. adults who were vaccinated as children often do not carry the immunity anymore. These adults are the ones who are spreading diseases like whooping cough- not babies! If as an adult, you care about herd immunity, go get your boosters.
3. Customizing vaccines is the most logical approach. We do it for animals, why not people?
4. Diseases like mumps, measles, and chicken pocks can all be had with no issue by most of the population, and for those who have trouble, think of how far we've come in medicine treating these types of things- we have anti virals now and amazing nutrition options that simply were not there 100 years ago.
5. Vaccinating children so adults don't have to stay home from work seems like a strange reason to expose children to toxic metals, and other allergens like formaldehyde.
6. There is a time and a place for vaccines. Breastfed newborn babies have no need of vaccines. They carry the mother's immune system.
7. When and if you vaccinate your child is your choice. No one else can mandate that. There is no need for guilt or shame for the mother who questions the safety of vaccines.
8. Doctors, may of them, have written extensively about vaccines, the distrust of them, the ingredients in them.
9. The global human vaccine market is an industry. It's big money and little info to the public (for example, some vaccines are made of aborted fetus tissue, did you know that?- if you are ok with that- good, go get them).
10. vaccines have accomplished amazing things! I'm not discounting that at all. Just get as much of the big picture as you can before deciding what to do for your family and please! don't dis those of us who choose differently than you.

This is a very loaded subject and I'd like to suggest this might not be the best venue for it. Alemama, women who had their children decades ago might very well be offended at the suggestion they were not acting intelligently (your word) by not questioning vaccinations. Given the wide span of ages and cultures on this forum, there are going to be lots of differences that probably aren't reconcilable. You are a young mom and I haven't heard anyone "dissing" your choice, at least not yet. - Surviving

Just a gentle reminder that times have changed ...

In the 1970’s, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) said children should get 23 doses of 7 vaccines by age 6. The first vaccinations were given at 2 months old.
Today, the CDC and AAP tell doctors to give children 48 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6. The first vaccination is given at 12 hours old in the newborn nursery. (Actually, I've given hepB to minutes old babies as part of hospital policy. Gag. The feeling of pushing a needle into that tender vastus lateralis is sickening to me. I try not to work OB if I can help it). At age 2 months, a baby can receive 8 vaccines on a single day. At age 15 to 18 months, a child can receive as many as 12 vaccines on a single day.

48 doses of 14 vaccines by age 6? How the heck does baby mitochondria cope with such an onslaught of disease? There may not be a proven causation for autism, etc. but there is a definite reaction on cellular levels that could change how these cells behave in the future. We are designed to handle disease exposure, but probably not eight at one time. Yes, the amount of exposure is small, but it's enough to trick the immune system into thinking it is being fully attacked. Europe does not vaccinate nearly to the extreme that the US does, even though with universal healthcare there is a vested interest in keeping citizens disease-free.

I do vacc on a very delayed and selective schedule that sort of follows the Danish schedule, and is more similar to what was done in the 1970s. Yep, touchy subject. But in a way that's good, because questioning, talking, agreeing, and disagreeing help keep us from lemming mentality. :-)

We discuss everything here on WW, and it is so interesting reading different view points. I love it.

Could blindly accepting the advice of your doctor be considered intelligent? Perhaps many people would say yes to that question (considering my questioning to be a waste of time), in which case, no offense would be taken right?
Though, being on this particular forum does lead to the dangerous past time of thinking about docs recommendations, not blindly accepting them ;)

Bluesky was prompted to think about vaccines by Christine's offhand comment. The comments that followed leaned heavily towards pro vaccine thinking. I thought I'd offer the other side of the coin. Notice that I didn't advise to give them or not to give them (ok, maybe hep b and rotavirus which was recalled by the way, to infants I sounded pretty against) (or share what I've decided to do with my family) and kept it at 'it's up to you to do the research'.

But, sure, If someone was offended by my suggestion that the only intelligent option would be to question what is being injected into your baby, I'm gonna be ok with that :) (remember I didn't say reject it, just question it and research it).
and...I've made plenty of decisions in my short parenting life that I've looked back on later wishing I could do over. But, just like anything else, when we know better we do better!

This is just an awakening process and one that will take some time to fully illuminate.

Thanks for your amazing insights, Alemama and BadMirror!

Unless it has changed, since my kids were little- they had to be vaccinated to be accepted in the public school system in Ontario

Not only could my children not start school without immunizations being up-to-date, but they could not live in college dormitories, nor could my daughter participate in therapy fieldwork in her field of study, without proof of all immunizations. I am in the US.

Bluesky, please do your own research from reliable sources. Not this forum. And remember there are many unreliable sources out there.

In NSW in Australia there is currently a measles epidemic because of the increase in unvaccinated children. i personally would hate to see my child suffer from a nasty illness and any permanent after-effects that I could easily have prevented.

Of course, I do not mind you disagreeing with me Alemama, and I am very pleased to hear that you have been researching this area. I am also glad you have expressed your annoyance at my comments. I was seeking to advise Bluesky not to be swayed by people on that other site who had not seemed to have done extensive research and were perhaps talking from a raw emotional and in some cases grieving point of view. Emotion does not make what they are saying wrong, just something to back a little away from in order to make your own decisions.

But are we talking about the same thing? Are we talking about the benefits/risks of vaccination or instead arguing about instances of (bad) medical administration?

I also regard it very necessary like you and bad mirror to protect our precious young and the thought of having to stick a needle into a tiny baby is sickening. I hated taking my children for their vaccinations. But like all of us it was their well-being I was looking out for and it was not something to be decided by my squeamishness.

Just two facts, mother’s milk does not protect children from disease because they share her immunity. (And what in the case of Hepatitis B where it is often the mother who has infected her child?) In less developed countries, measles is cited fourth on the list of the diseases that kill 4.9 million children a year: pneumonia, diarrhoeal diseases, malaria, measles, and malnutrition.

“WHO and UNICEF have drawn up a list of essential drugs to treat the most common diseases of childhood. The average cost for a full course of treatment with one of these drugs is about US$ 0.15. They include: oral antibiotics, an antimalarial drug, oral rehydration salts, vitamin A, treatment for intestinal worms, and treatments for eye and skin infections and mouth ulcers. In addition, immunization with measles vaccine --costing US$ 0.26 for both the vaccine and injection equipment-- could prevent most of the almost one million deaths from measles every year.”

I am concerned that the new generations in our more wealthy nations do not forget the lessons of old. Otherwise, question away. What are young people for anyway?

I'd also question the assertion that no surgery and no dentists would be a good thing. I'm grateful to not have my impacted wisdom teeth anymore, as a result of dental surgery.

ETA - I'm referring to Christine's original comment here.

Actually, I said the strongest amongst us will be those who are unmedicated, etc. Of course we will always need surgeons and dentists, but it doesn’t mean we must have such extreme rates of illness, drugs, and surgeries. A healthy body and mind come from nature, not a syringe or scalpel.

Remember, it was immune milkmaids in the middle of a smallpox epidemic who caught Edward Jenner’s attention in the late 1700s and led to the smallpox vaccine. But we never really made the connection that cow pox, in the case of the milkmaids, or measles in the case of young children, could actually be good for a developing immune system.

Nor that injecting attenuated bacteria and viruses deeply into the body might damage its defenses.

The notion that we will one day conquer all diseases on the planet is highly suspect. Are we really moving in that direction? Over the past 20 years more than 30 new diseases have emerged - many of which do not respond to any treatment whatsoever.

Agree to disagree?

Milk maids did not die of small pox. Others did. Not much use having a developing immune system if you are dead. Smallpox by the way is one disease which has virtually been eliminated. Measles deafens and blinds as well as kills and remains dormant in the body ready to flare up again and cause more damage.

“A healthy body and mind come from nature.” Are you sure about that? Are people to be blamed for their illnesses or is nature sometimes variable?

Why couple together extreme rates of illness, drugs and surgeries? Of course we don’t want extreme rates of illness. Drugs? Well I think experiments with prohibition have proven a failure and as for surgeries as long as someone thinks they can help someone and make a buck along the way and someone agrees they probably can help them and has the money to pay, I don’t see an end to that.

And how do you predict or recognize “the strong”. Leave it all to nature and only the strong will survive. That’s eugenics. What a poor world it truly would be.

As for the notion that one day we will conquer all disease, I don’t know whose notion that is, but if along the way we can protect from disease, then I’m on their side.

I haven’t heard of these thirty new diseases except for the increase in the list of psychiatric illnesses and there one would have to ask new diseases or just old ones more articulately or even wrongly described?

I'm sure that statistic from the CDC is outdated at this point - but I bet the high-speed evolution of viruses and bacteria has kept up the pace. The new strains are mostly drug-resistant forms of e coli, etc. but would also include the ebola virus, hanta virus, hepatitis C and HIV. As of this year, I believe, a new tick-borne virus was discovered in Missouri.

Smallpox and polio eradication are stellar successes, no doubt. But can we discount the adults with central nervous system cancers now known to be related to some of those early vaccines? Or the huge numbers of people developing lichen planus (a miserable disease) known to be connected with the hepatitis B vaccine? I don't know enough about the autism debate to weigh in - only personal knowledge of a beautiful, healthy and responsive baby boy who developed the disease immediately after his MMR vaccine.

I think health ("the strong") can be found primarily in the microorganisms themselves that culture our bodies inside and out. Polio actually begins in the gut and then moves to the CNS. Would a gut teeming with lactobacilli crowd it out? Also in the plant life (anti-bacterial, anti-viral) that surrounded and was utilized by people everywhere before we lived in cities surrounded by factory farms.

No matter which side of the fence you're on, a look into what's happening in the drug-resistant microbial world is nothing less than terrifying. There is no catching up with stronger and stronger drugs because the microbe's remarkable ability to quickly develop immunity is no match for science.

There will always be death and disease. I think that's the part people have a hard time accepting.

Hi everyone,
A really important discussion. So nice to see it. When my dd at age 4months reacted adversely to immunisation....no one wanted to talk about it, most people just wanted to stick their head in the sand.
My experience was this, at 4 months DD had her second round of immunisations (DTP Hip& Hep and polio) in the following few hours she was extremely drowsy, i checked on her in the pram ( while at the supermarket!) her little lips were blue and she was very rigid!!!

Called the ambulance, by the time they arrived she had come round and was breathing but still REALLY drowsy. They suggested I go to my GP to just check things out. Was at the GP within the hour and while in the waiting room it happened again...in hindsight it was most useful that the medicos witnessed this ( so I wasn't some paranoid mother).

Oxygen, paramedics called, and a trip to our major children's hospital in the ambo with lights and sirens. 3 or 4 more seizures in the emergency ward, then admitted. These were not febrile seizures as her temperature was normal.

Held my baby still while they did lumber puncture to check for meningitis etc. 5 days in hospital, medication to deal with seizures, and finally the diagnosis that they could find no conclusive cause and was possibly the immunisation....the pertussis vacc does list seizures as a rare side effect.

A year after that we were able to wean her off the seizure med, and the seizures did not return. So she does not have epilepsy...thankfully.

I do know the vacc caused this, BUT I did not decide all vaccinations were bad. I researched and decided to follow my own schedule for vaccination. It meant a trip to the Royal Children's. Hospital each time we vaccinated - for two reasons - one was that I did not want multi dose vaccs and also my daughter was observed for 4-5 hours each time just in case.
So it was time consuming, but worth it.
My thoughts are that vaccination in general is a good thing...but loading up their little systems with so many in such a short time cannot be ideal.
I read in one of the child rearing magazines of a similar experience to mine, but in their case their child ended up with brain damage.
So it is all very nice to say that the risks are very rare......but for the ones it does happen to it can be very traumatic, and life changing for some.
I just wish the governments would acknowledge the concerns some people have for this. Our vaccination schedule here in Australia is very rigid, and there is little guidance or alternatives for someone who wants to do something a bit different. I had to make it up as I went along.

I don’t think anyone is denying that there are risks for some people associated with vaccinations, or that new strains, super bugs etc are developing. And as I said in my original post, if you believed someone in your family developed an adverse reaction from vaccination, you have a right to feel leery. Just as someone whose child caught an illness they had not been able to be vaccinated for would be determined to prevent this from happening to any subsequent children by seeking out vaccination.

However, what I do dispute is blaming the development of new strains of viruses and bacteria on the widespread use of vaccination.

The world through the ages has long suffered from new strains and superbugs: bubonic plague, black death, typhus, cholera and the Spanish Flu as recently as 1918 to name a few. This was before mass vaccinations and antibiotics etc.

There can be other explanations.

I didn’t mean to imply that vaccines are responsible for drug-resistant species. My point was simply that these organisms shift and change all the time. Measles is proving to be much harder to eradicate than small pox and the many strains must suggest that the virus is changing all the time. Will the adult who was immunized as a child be more or less protected from a new strain than the person who contracted the disease as a child? I certainly don't have any answers, but the older I've become, the more trust I've developed in the intelligence of nature...to the point that I rarely think about death.

What an amazing story...thank you for sharing your experience! Yes, these are conversations we need to have - even if there is no right or wrong.

...and I don't mean I rarely think about death because I'm so darn healthy I don't think I'll ever die - lol.

Quite the contrary...my childhood was toxic, and much of my adulthood filled with loss and sadness and stress...and I now live in the middle of a smoggy city with more work than I ever expected. I may die sooner rather than later, but I stay as close to nature as I can. I feel embedded in life and with that comes being embedded in death. It all just seems the same to me. It's probably more accurate to say I don't believe in death.

“Will the adult who was immunized as a child be more or less protected from a new strain than the person who contacted the disease as a child?”

Are you making a possible projection that the adult who as a child contacted measles and survived unscathed should possess a greater immunity to a new strain of measles than an adult who as a child was vaccinated? If so what is this based on?

It worries me that measles is seen from the point of view only of those who it does not effect in very drastic ways, when there are hundreds of thousands still which it does.

Measles is a childhood illness even the new strains occur far less frequently in adults.

For me this topic is more of sharing the knowledge and i like how easy and wonderful the use of internet is for the very reason that it can be used for some good knowledge sharing tool....

All my 3 kids have had measels but my people say that getting measels/ chicken pox in chilhood is good coz that increases the immunity in the kid....

I would support the idea of staying close to the nature weather alive or dead

We are made up of dust and eventually go back to it .. These are heavy words but truth is always bitter..To all of us including me...

I appreciate all of u for sharing what u know n ur expetiences...
I like this site :)

Thank you, Bluesky! I have no better words on the subject.

I cannot accept the concept that you allow nature to take its cause when it comes to childhood illnesses. There seems to be a strange perception that childhood diseases, because so many children survive them unscathed, are mild and nothing to worry about.

Sure many children survive childhood illnesses and gain immunity, many others live where the viruses are not active and they do not receive this exposure and consequently do not gain this immunity. When that virus is introduced to the community, they are left very susceptible to the full strength of the virus as happened recently with the carriage of English measles to Hamburg.

Vaccination exposes children to a small dose of the virus and they then gain immunity without the dangers of the full strength, natural virus.

The second group most vulnerable to these childhood diseases are young virile adults in the prime of their life. It has been as recent as my generation in the western world that young men were rendered sterile by a simple childhood disease of the mumps contracted only as an adult.

I find it ironic that it was people in the US living in isolated communities that embraced the small pox vaccine for they found they badly needed the immunity the vaccine gave being very susceptible to urban exposure or fresh outbreaks, whereas at the same time people in Europe rejected it because with the widespread presence and survival of small-pox, they claimed they did not need it. Thinking then very much about small pox as people do about childhood diseases today. They at least had the excuse that preventative medicine was a new concept.

It is natural for life to fight for life. Acceptance of death is not natural to any living being, animal, fish or plant . When one knows one is dying there is a certain acceptance for some.

I have the most excruciating pain in and around the folds and both sides of my legs and my valva like I imagine diaper rash would feel like, I've been using A&D ointment with zinc it hasn't helped it at all, also it is quite wet, when I pull up my panty after urinating and it is soaking wet where it fits in the creases of my legs at the the end of my thighs. I can't sit straight up I have to lean to the right or left because it hurts.
I don't think I have LS because I don't see any white spots around my vagina.
I haven't gone to my doctor I want to try something natural first.
Do you think I could use the Apple cider vinegar and honey? it wouldn't hurt to try would it? does the vinegar burn when you apply it to your vagina?
Mahalo and much Aloha
Heavenlyflower

Dear Heavenly Flower, I had itching that was to the point of scratching vulva off & tried many things over about 5yrs. These are just suggestions, as I went through blaming toilet paper as it can leave a residue inside the vulva, many topical creams & vinegar just meant I was scratching as I was rubbing it on & vinegar does burn.
I have noticed lately that it has mostly resolved as long as I don't scratch at all which makes it flare up & I put it down to eating coconut oil & using it occasionally on the area. ( coconut oil has anti - viral & fungal properties as well as making skin soft) I am graduating to about 2 desertspoons / day...
For the sore folds of skin on legs try gently patting the area dry, or maybe hairdryer on warm not too hot with short cold blow after drying & pat on some good old corn flour ( never put powder in the vulva) the vitamins in the cornflower can be soothing. I've tried it when itchy under breasts & it is soothing. Someone I know uses coconut oil for LS & says symptoms don't bother anymore.
Search for threads on honey for the vagina - there is much on the forum about that.
(((hugs))) & best wishes
Aussie Soul Sis