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granolamom
January 10, 2008 - 8:47am
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period and prolapse
yes, I feel a change right before my period. which I've come to appreciate, since my cycles have never been regular. at least now I know what to expect.
louiseds
January 10, 2008 - 9:05am
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Me too
My whole vulva, vagina, cervix and front wall feel kind of puffy and squishy too for the week before starting a period, and during the first four days. I feel like a big sponge full of water. Even when the bleeding lightens off I still seem to be oozing clearish fluid from nowhere in particular.
By the end of week one it is all up high(er) again, and all the abdominal bloating and squishiness is gone. I think it is a good idea to be familiar with how our bits feel, as we cannot see them easily, except with a mirror, then it's only the outside bits. I first learned self examination through Natural Family Planning, and it is now second nature to me. I don't know how else you can find out what's going on down there! The idea of a gyno knowing more about my bits than I do just doesn't make sense to me.
Cheers
Louise
Zelda
January 10, 2008 - 2:41pm
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Yup,
My period just ended and I'm also noticing that I really suffer
the most for about a week after the period ends. Everything feels
loose, just a bit disconnected, my kegels even feel weak and
take more effort and I'm well beyond moist... I've taken to rolling up
my softest most worn hankies as a diaper of sorts. I'm making peace,
it doesn't have the razor-edge of humiliation anymore.
Acceptance has been a much nicer place to "hang out" these days.
I still don't and won't check myself, my barometer is enough. I really
don't think I could handle it. Once after the accident was enough for me.
I guess in part, it made me feel decidedly UNsexy. Like road-kill.
Zelda
ATS
January 10, 2008 - 3:29pm
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You do make me laugh
Its not funny really but "road-kill" that was hilarious. You may not have intended it that way but it struck my funny bone!
Sometimes I feel really awful just before my period but like you I seem to be worse in the days after it ends. Its strange how somedays everything feels in its place and strong and others like its hanging by a thread.
I am glad you have reached a place of acceptance. My attitude has also shifted but I don't like to speak to soon as each day brings with it new challenges.
A
Zelda
January 10, 2008 - 3:44pm
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I'm glad you recognize my black-humor,
It's about all I got. This has been quite a battle, this "finding
my acceptance" thing. It has been a transformation, a complete
juggle of priorities. In some ways I'm even More willful. Hard to imagine.
I will sit and elevate my feet, when I want.
I will ignore this and that mess without guilt.
I will not watch movies that are sad.
I will not take out the Garbage.
The new Paradigm ? No kidding.
Zelda
Zelda
January 10, 2008 - 3:55pm
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I'm glad you posted me...
I thought you might have been a bit miffed at me for the
husband thread. Was worried I mighta sounded preachy ?
Just would hate the idea of you not realizing what you might be
risking, what I risked and nearly lost.
I've come to think divorce is the worst of tragedies for EVERYone
involved...if avoidable, if both people are basically good, but can't
"work it out"... so I guess I've got a bit of a cause going and Hope
I didn't come across as a damn know-it-ALL- Missionary. yuck.
Hugs,
Zelda
ATS
January 10, 2008 - 4:02pm
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Not at all
No I was not miffed in any way and did not think you preachy. I appreciate the advice you and everybody else gives me. Sometimes it takes someone on the outside to point out things we do not see ourselves.
Relationships are hard and men and women so very different that its a constant learning curve as to how best to deal with situations.
Well I'm off to bed now as its 10 o'clock here in the UK and I had a hard time getting my butt out of bed this morning so better get an early night.
Speak soon.
A
louiseds
January 10, 2008 - 8:54pm
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Being a difficult woman
Hi Zelda and Anita
I have come to the conclusion that it is OK to be a 'difficult woman'. Hey, men were put on this planet to deal with it, even when we feel like roadkill (I too resonated with that one!). It is nice to be able to give yourself permission to just be yourself sometimes, after all that time we spend trying to figure out others and look after them. Ya gotta be a little careful that you are not offensive but a little self-interest doesn't go astray on the highway of life, lest we end up as, um ... roadkill?
Cheers
Louise
MeMyselfAndI
January 11, 2008 - 6:20am
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Checkerama / Checkermania?
I stillcheck sometimes if I feel something weirdy down there - Guess am addicted to knowing ehere things are sitting etc
But not as much of late. Maybe if you feel less you check less?
I guess if we all felt nothing we wouldnt bother with checking or anything at all as we would all be too busy having a normal life etc
I am trying to not check at all. But sometimes I fail myself...
Sue
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stella
January 11, 2008 - 6:25pm
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period
Last month before my period I could barely stand. It felt like everything was falling down. A few days after my period, it all eased up...
louiseds
January 11, 2008 - 9:28pm
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Pre-period
Hi Anita
I had a period arrive unexpectedly yesterday. I was expecting it next week, from how my boobs felt. I had a feel under the shower this morning and discovered that, when I am in posture, my cervix is a full knuckle up from the entrance to my vagina. I can strain a little and make it come down to the entrance, but it pops back up again when back in WW posture. This is really wierd, as my cervix has for the past twelve months been at the entrance for the two weeks around Day 1. This is the first period I have had in maybe five years when I haven't had bloating and escaping pelvic organs for the two weeks surrounding Day 1.
There are only two possibilities I can think of that can account for this. One is the great unknown of impending menopause, which I have no idea about. I only know that hormonally and cervix size-wise I am very close.
The only other possibility is that over the last month or two I have been very consciously trying to relax my lower belly to make room for my bladder and uterus over my pubic bone. My lower belly seems to be getting bigger and bigger, which is a bit scary, but it feels really nice and I can feel something pleasurable happening in my vagina when I relax my lower belly. Of course the feeling is a 'sliding forward and up', when I think about it.
Anyway, I no longer wear clothes that fit closely around my belly (unless they have plenty of stretch, so it is hardly noticeable to anybody except DH and me. I think about all those lucky women in the 1950's fashions with their voluminous gathered skirts, that they later recycled into body hugging shifts in the 1960's. I detested that full skirt fashion during the 1960's but would welcome its return now. I am a great sarong wearer during the warmer months, and add dance pants and big floppy jumpers in cold weather. Oh yes, there are my old Ugg boots in winter too (carrying massive amounts of silver duct tape that hold them together). I am truly a sight to behold in my full domestic glory!!! But by Geez, am I comfy?
So I'll keep you posted to see what happens next period.
Cheers
Louise
ATS
January 12, 2008 - 3:21am
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Well to my surprise being
Well to my surprise being day one of my period yesterday I was on my feet all day rushing around without too much discomfort. The only real issue I had was a heavy dragging sesnation in my behind from the rectocele. I haven't been up long today but so far so good. I do usually find as mentioned below that the troublesome days seem to be after my period has finished which I find strange as its now that the uterus, I would think, is at its heaviest and the muscles etc are more relaxed.
Its all very odd but I am trying to learn what happens during different stages of my cycle to try and stop me panicing so much about worsening symptoms.
I am also trying not to wear tampons so as not to upset anything up there but its hard after having worn them for the last 23 years and my period is always very heavy during the first 2 days. Its not nice and feels gross but I am thinking it is better for me.
A
louiseds
January 12, 2008 - 4:32am
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Well to my surprise being
Hi Anita
You are right, you know! Why do we need to ask what is going on in our bodies. All those books tell us all about our lungs and guts and brains and blood and stuff but nobody mentions what happens to a uterus and surrounds during a menstrual cycle. It is as if it is secret business known only to doctors, who don't know either, because they learned all they know in medical school, and were too busy learning about diseases to learn about health. Why is it so darned hard to find out!!!!
I visited my family doctor and had an internal exam the day before my period a couple of months ago. I asked her how big my uterus was and she said, "Pretty small". This may be because I am near menopause, but it may be that the uterus itself is not what causes all the bloating and bigness that seems to be there. And we think the uterus is so big just before a period, as if it is a bag of blood that will slowly leak out over a few days (the heaviness and bloating). However, I'm sure it is not. Sure, there is endometrium in there, but it has nothing implanted in it, and even the diagrams I have of a 6 week pregnancy show what looks like only about 2mm of endometrium, and I am sure that would only fill a thimble when it left the uterus. The extra blood comes from the capilliaries under the endometrium as it breaks down, and there is a lot of clearish fluid too. It must just keep oozing out until all the endometrium is gone and the uterus has gone back to pre-ovulation state. I have read that average menstuation is about a cupful, which would make the uterus quite big if all that volume was inside it before menstruation. So maybe the uterus is still quite small before normal menstruation, and the uterus and vagina just acts as a big sponge that collects all that spare fluid in the pelvic cavity and drains it out. Why doesn't somebody teach us this stuff?? Perhaps nobody knows! Seriously. Masters and Johnson were the first people to actually study what happens in the body during sex, and that was during the 60's. There is lots written about the hormones of the menstrual cycle but little about the physical bits. I bet that is because the hormone research was done by a pharmaceutical company developing the Pill, and now producing products for the assisted reproduction industry. So much for pursuit of knowledge! We have to find out ourselves, because nobody has a monetary investment reason for finding out for us.
On a different tack, I'm just wondering how you think tampons are going to upset everything? I would be might p#$$ed off if somebody told me not to wear tampons with a prolapse. Surely if pessaries are OK, tampons would be OK too? I would love to be able to retain tampons but alas, not so. The jini just spits 'em out again. Anyway, with my cervix living where it does these days the tampon would be above the cervix and not much use at all for mopping up! ROFL
Cheers
Louise
ATS
January 12, 2008 - 5:21am
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Tampons
Its just a personal thing really. I do still wear them when things are really heavy but on the whole I try not to. I worry each time I insert it and taking out it freaks me out as it can feel like my organs are being dragged with it. Mind you I tried wearing one on my last period but it was just too darn uncomfortable and that was the first time that had happened. I was quite upset about it really as normally I just put one it and forget its there but last time I could feel it and it was putting pressure on the front wall which I did not like. Keeping them isn't a problem - yet! But hopefully that will never be an issue and my cervix will stay up where it is - lower than it used to be but not so low that I can't keep something like that in there.
I find its a bit of trial and error these days as I am not quite sure what my prolapses do or do not like.
A
granolamom
January 12, 2008 - 7:17pm
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tampons
ATS, I feel the same way. I was wearing tampons and feeling like it just wasn't a good thing. before I got pg I had switched to the ob tampons, they are smaller and easier to insert (behind the cystocele so they don't fall out) but still, removing them felt like it was dragging everything along.
then I got pg, and knowing that you cant wear tampons pp, and that I hate paper/plastic pads, I made some cloth pads. the 'ick factor' was alot lower than I had thought and now I'm using them for periods. I must say, I'm liking them. in fact, they are so pretty and fun that its the silver lining to menstruating. at least I can use my pretty pads.
the ones I have now are all flannel, backed with a waterproof fabric, but the next batch I make will be topped with velour. I just made the baby some velour diapers and I got jealous, lol.
ATS
January 13, 2008 - 3:42am
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So clever
All you ladies on here seem to be so clever with a sewing machine. I own one but have used it once in all the years I have had it. One day when I have more time to myself I will get it out again as there are so many things I would like to make. I saw this really cute little reversible summer dress on another website and thought how great for my daughter. It doesn't look too complicated and I am hoping I can manage it.
I am also useless with fabrics and knowing which to use and which wash well etc.
Do you make loads of pads as I am guessing once they need changing you need to throw them in the washing machine? How do you get them to stay in place, the bought ones have a sticky backing?
granolamom
January 13, 2008 - 10:45am
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mama cloth
I wash my cloth pads with the baby's diapers. I rinse them first and I've had no staining. I have about 15 pads, I wash every day, to every other day.
you can make them with wings, using either velcro or snaps, but I hate wings so I use double stick tape on the back of the pad.
there's loads of free patterns available online, but I traced a disposable pad for mine.
as for fabrics, you can just use flannel. if you want a waterproof backing, you can use windpro fleece or something called PUL which you can order online.
ATS
January 13, 2008 - 12:01pm
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I hate wings too!
I may try and do some. For a pattern online what do I google?
granolamom
January 13, 2008 - 2:40pm
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free patterns
you could try googling 'cloth pads free sewing patterns'
or go to www.diapersewingdivas.com and look at the stuck stickies in the 'hot seamstress mamas' forum. they have lots of links for free patterns, tutorials, recommended fabrics etc.
its a quick, fun project, but I warn you......its addictive.
stella
January 13, 2008 - 6:06pm
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cloth pads
My babies were big pee-ers so I always had to put an extra liner in their cloth diapers. Those liners ended up becoming my pads. An empowering and useful thing to do with used pads is to soak them in a bucket of water and use the blood to water your plants or garden! They love it.
granolamom
January 13, 2008 - 7:35pm
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blood-water
I've thought about doing that, stella. maybe once the kids are a bit older and not prone to dunking things in buckets of water. I can just imagine the bloody mess :::::::shudder:::::::
Zelda
January 13, 2008 - 8:14pm
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OMG !
I thought I was the only Nut that did this !
I think there is something sacred about menstrual blood.
I collect orchids, esp. species, and they love "runoff".
Zelda
stella
January 13, 2008 - 8:56pm
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ha
I knew we were like minded, Zelda!
thrlxjodi
January 13, 2008 - 9:31pm
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meee too!
I use diaper doublers too! I recently bought a serger and fixed some old flanel tshirts and some rip stop nylon to them!! they are awesome! I just toss them in the washwith the diapers or a load of darks!