When I first “cracked the code” on stabilizing and reversing prolapse, and wrote and published Saving the Whole Woman, I set up this forum. While I had finally gotten my own severe uterine prolapse under control with the knowledge I had gained, I didn’t actually know if I could teach other women to do for themselves what I had done for my condition.
So I just started teaching women on this forum. Within weeks, the women started writing back, “It’s working! I can feel the difference!”
From that moment on, the forum became the hub of the Whole Woman Community. Unfortunately, spammers also discovered the forum, along with the thousands of women we had been helping. The level of spamming became so intolerable and time-consuming, we regretfully took the forum down.
Technology never sleeps, however, and we have better tools today for controlling spam than we did just a few years ago. So I am very excited and pleased to bring the forum back online.
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louiseds
September 6, 2009 - 10:45am
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No of Members
Hi Judith
3228 members is not strictly true. Many of the usernames that are registered are spammers. They get deleted regularly from the list of new members, but the total keeps going up. Of course, some real members have long gone and are either getting on with their lives, or gone in another direction. I have no idea how many real members there are, or have been, but it is a lot, maybe one or two bona fide new members each day? That's about 500 a year.
Cheers
Louise
Oceanblue
September 7, 2009 - 10:07am
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More and more will join
Hi Louise, Hi Judith,
I am very much a real live being with POP, am very much appreciative with all that Christine Ann Kent has given us, most importantly, an option to surgery, with good indications that it would make matters worse as time goes on. Perhaps there are exceptions, but I am not taking any chances. It is my body, my life.
I am going to continue on with the wonderful exercises that Christine has provided on her dvd, have made a slight change in diet, and a definite change with my lifestyle, and that is OK. It is more than just OK, it is a good.
Thank you Christine and all of the caring women on this forum.
Grateful hugs,
Oceanblue
Judith
September 7, 2009 - 12:12pm
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Thank you for the replies
It's not just idle curiosity on my part, I have a daughter who may decide to have babies and I have been seriously wondering whether there's something new around pregnancy and childbirth that's making POP more prevalent. We have a joke that the best advice I can give her about having babies and avoiding prolapse is - adopt (not serious, really only a joke). But I take Louise's point, the number on this board isn't huge and maybe it's just the way statistical likelihood works that I never met any PP women with POP and neither has Jackie.
But I still think, even if the numbers are no higher than they used to be, that there are more young women now than in my day kegeling like mad (possibly wrongly anyway) and doing inappropriate exercise such as zipping and hollowing in Pilates etc, that can't be beneficial. Women are certainly under much more pressure to regain their pre-pregnancy flat tums than in my day. Judith
louiseds
September 7, 2009 - 9:42pm
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The dreaded flat tummy
Hi Judith
I really think that the twin holy grails of the flat tummy and eternal youth are at the heart of the problem. There are billions of dollars spent every year all over the western world by women (and men) seeking this goal. Why?
Vanity, pure vanity.
If you want to make money, all you need to do is criticise a person, tell them there is something wrong about them (ie invent a non-existent fault), then sell them a solution to it. An example would be toilet cleaners that kill bacteria inside the pan. Who swims in their toilet????
Make it a really hard thing to fix and you have a customer for life.
Where in the holy books does it say that a woman who has reproduced should have the flat tummy of a girl who has never reproduced?
I can show you plenty of places where ample hips and breasts, and a soft round belly are regarded as positive womanly attributes, a sign that she has a bit of fat in store for lean times, and that she is the right shape to birth and nurture heirs. She is a walking, talking, dancing potential success story! Celebrate!!!
Sure, flat tummy is sexy too, if you are consciously or subconsciously eyeing off all the village virgins as potential wife and breeder, or just plain sightseeing (and what man doesn't?)!
Any wise man will ensure that he looks at his wife and the bearer of his/their children with adoring eyes. He will love her for who she is, and as she is, or he might once again find himself out in the cold, back in the marketplace where he is reduced to eyeing off virgins again.
Flat tummies? Poo-bah! They are about as pointless as strapless bras for grannies. And they deny the woman who has birthed a safe refuge for her pelvic organs.
I challenge all Members to come up with one good reason for having a flat tummy! Bring it on!
Cheers
Louise
EDIT: Balancing a breakfast tray on your tummy while you are lying in bed doesn't count.
MeMyselfAndI
September 8, 2009 - 1:53am
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Tummies
Do flat tummies have anything to do with POP?
I think there are women out there who have POP and have huge bellies and ones who have small bellies......
So what makes a difference?
If you had a lot of excess skin on your tummy, cos you lost weight - Would having that removed (ouch) make a difference - ?
Does the flab in the stomach area make POP worse?
Or....
If you are in posture does the amount of flabberama on your stomach matter?
I don't think it makes much difference if you are in posture right, the only reason for a totally flat stomach - If you are lucky enough to have one - Is luck...... LOL
I would love to know though if/how a fat/flat stomach might affect POP...
♥
Judith
September 8, 2009 - 2:52am
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Flat tummy
Hi MeMyselfandI
I don't think it's the flat tum per se that's a problem, if you happen to have one naturally. It's the exercises that women do to have or regain one that may increase intra-abdominal pressure that can exacerbate POP and the unnatural posture they may adopt in order to accentuate the look of a flat tummy. I recently heard a midwife on the radio saying that the PP tummy very rarely goes back to being completely flat even it was beforehand and I was reading about it too. Some women have a flat tight stomach in their genes, some super fit sporty women will revert to almost total flatness, but a lot of celebs who appear to regain total flatness have some kind of surgery or get airbrushed in photos.
Also, a non-flat tummy isn't necessarily the same as a flabby one (heaven forbid!). It may be just rounded.
I agree, it's the posture that counts, and also the not doing exercises that increase pressure or distort the balance of muscle strength in the area.
I do agree with Louise's sentiments - women are sold a false holy grail about this, as we are about so many things. It's all just about the perpetual quest to create markets for things we never knew we needed. Judith
louiseds
September 8, 2009 - 9:20am
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While we are on the subject...
Australian TV is going digital slowly, and I had a discussion with my BIL the other day about it. The discussion became quite heated. I was saying that we have only had our new TV for about 10 years, so I thought we would just get a set top box for $70, so we could keep the TV locked in a cupboard still, instead of having a screen bigger than Ben Hur dominating our living area. We don't watch TV a lot, so there is little point in spending megabucks on a new one. He was just about having a heart attack that I was trying to tell him that getting a new TV was a low priority. He wasn't kidding. He just could not see the point in holding on to old technology. I played along for a while, thinking he was joking, but he wasn't!!! I ended up shrugging and going to do something else. Am I weird? Don't answer that!
Louise
clavicula
September 8, 2009 - 12:49pm
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TV
OFF: We don't have TV. How weird is that?! lol
Liv
Judith
September 8, 2009 - 1:08pm
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Weird
Well, maybe you are both weird, but just because you're weird doesn't mean you're wrong.
We have a similar debate going on in our house, daughter away, husband and son both want a bigger flat screen TV, which means I'm outnumbered. I like a TV that knows it's place, small and cowering away in a corner. I'm doomed to lose of course when we get a high definition one that'll turn our sitting room into a mini cinema. Judith
alemama
September 8, 2009 - 1:43pm
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TV
ha. well. we went digital in florida a few months ago and our house said goodbye to abc and pbs. We have always had one small tv-tucked in a cabinet and we never watched much anyway (sesame street for the kids mostly) and we don't miss it one single bit.
but we have a dirty little secret...I found a few sites online where I can watch ANYTHING. Movies, HBO, tv- anything.
So when things get hairy, as they sometimes do, I am just a click away from liberty kids!
our plan for "someday" when affording a new tv is a reality is to get a projector and a pull down screen because I HATE having the TV as the focal point of a room. But I do like to watch movies sometimes....
louiseds
September 8, 2009 - 8:57pm
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TV, off to another Forum
Whoops, looks like I have opened a can of worms. I am so tempted to continue the conversation. TV is such an influential part of our lives, whether we watch it or not. How about continuing it in the Emotional Issues Form, so we can leave this topic discussing its initial subject, which I think is pretty important?
L