Gravitation/rectum

Submitted by budahazya on November 24, 2015 - 7:56am
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Dear Ladies,
Recently, I have been to hospital many times and I had to stay in bed for months because of having trouble with my back and my autimmune desease. Perhaps for this reason, I experienced that the rectocele is much bigger now than it was half a year ago. The pouch is almost a little apple sized and it is right at my vaginal opening (sometimes over it). I can very succesfuly evacuate as I previously mentioned it in a post thanks to LOPO, but unfortunately the great feeling of being empty lasts only a few (usually four) hours. As bowels constantly work, a few hours after evacuating I feel the feces decending into my rectum. The lowest part of my rectum is now at the vaginal opening, so as the day goes forward, the pouch is more and more full of feces, until it appears at the vaginal opening (it is understandable when we think of the role of the rectum-it is storing the feces). Fire breathing pushes it up but only for a little time. I have tried to evacuate not only in the morning, but also in the evening, but I can't. (the feces in the pouch stays, only the poo located in the upper part of my rectum comes out sometimes when I try this second evacuating)
It really worries me when I think of what effect this trapped poo can have on my rectum. Rectum is a vertical organ, so the motion of the bowels, and gravitation force the feces to descend to the lowest part of the rectum which is at the vaginal opening, consequently the feces expand the pouch more and more in every hour. I am really afraid that at this point staying in posture or doing the firebreathing is not enough to fight against the effect of the weight of the feces descending into the pouch.
I am really scared that the pouch will grow bigger very quickly. (not to mention how nervous I am with the feeling that staring from lunchtime I can literally touch feces at my vaginal opening....)
Any advice on this? I would also appreciate any experience in the subject.
Thank you very much for reading, budahazya

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Surviving60

November 24, 2015 - 6:53pm

I would agree that months of being bedridden is going to be very hard on your prolapse, and it also makes us somewhat hesitant to make suggestions, given the overall state of your health.

If you think the poo is collecting in the bulge that is right at the opening, I think you should be able to splint and get it all out. If you feel nice and empty after evacuating, but over the next few hours that bulge starts to fill up again, then why do you think that the bulge is trapping anything? Sounds to me like the poo is moving normally in and out of the bulge as the day goes on. - Surviving

budahazya

November 25, 2015 - 1:10am

Yes Surviving, I didn't used the proper language with the word trapped. So do you think it is normal that the bulge starts to fill up until it appears at the opening in the evening? (I am totally empty after evacuating). I don't have any problem which keeps me away from practicing whole women, it is simply something which comes sometimes with pain then, after some treatment goes. Moreover, my doctor who treated my spine with slipped disc, told me that all things written in Christine's book is great for our spine, after I showed him the book. So again, is it normal that the pouch is full after a half day? Do you experience the same? Can I ever get my old rectocele ( hehehe) back?

Surviving60

November 25, 2015 - 4:54am

Buda, you say you have been bedridden for months at a time, and yet, just now you said "I don't have any problem which keeps me from practicing WW." That's quite a contradiction.

The organs are always on the move, all day long, and always responding to the activity of our digestive tract. If this is new for you, I am surprised. As the rectum becomes full, of course you will feel it in your rectocele. - Surviving

Aging gracefully

November 25, 2015 - 6:54am

I know when I have gotten lax with the whole woman work, I really pay for it in the evacuating department. Although mine is the uterus falling back on the rectum, preventing me from even having a proper poo, it is still an uncomfortable feeling to have.

Having been bedridden for some time is, of course, going to affect your prolapse very negatively.
When we have this kind of relapse, it is like starting all over from square one, but it can be done, and usually much faster than the first time around.

Pulling those organs forward, always pulling them forward is the only way we can get some relief from our symptoms. When I have a major set back, I start all over like it was my first day. Lots of jiggling and firebreathing, daily whole woman exercises and walking, and standing tall in posture.

Severe prolapse is a real pain, but it can be managed.

I do worry about your herniated discs though. This could be a problem for you, and I wouldn't know how to further advise you on it. Maybe a consult with Christine would be in order at this time.

budahazya

November 25, 2015 - 9:58am

Surviving, Perhaps my English is the problem, but this is not the first time when I feel a bit offended by you.
"If this is new for you, I am surprised." This sentence of yours sounds a bit scornful to me. ,There was a mistake in my post. Of course there is a contradiction between being bedridden, and practicing WW,I am not stupid as you may think. I wanted to say that now I can practice WW again. Please be a bit more patient to me. I have been practicing WW work for a long time, and maybe I am not as succesful, as you would like me to be. Sorry for this. Yes, sometimes I have great results sometimes I have setbacks. Not every women are the same, and belive or not I have bad periods sometimes not to mention that I have other serious health issues too. I think this forum is for consoling each other if one needs, and give some positive energy when things turns bad. I am grateful for Christine for this forum and I think it is not normal that I must feel sometimes that when I have problem, I am not welcome by you here. If I am mistaken sorry, I must have misunderstood your words. On the other hand you have helped me immensely in the last few years, so I don't want to fight with you, I just had to write down what I feel.

Surviving60

November 25, 2015 - 10:42am

Hi Buda - I do agree that sometimes there is a language barrier, and I apologize for anything I may have said that sounded offensive to you. It was certainly not meant that way. The language problem can work in both directions.

We have spent a lot of time here trying to convince you that your rectocele is normal. You have described many things over the years that were distressing to you, and we have replied "that's normal for rectocele, and you have to keep doing the WW work every day".

Now, I am starting to sense that your health issues are more complicated than I was aware. So I guess I don't know what else to say, or how else to help. - Surviving

budahazya

November 25, 2015 - 12:02pm

Surviving, It is not true that I always ask the same questions. My condition is worsening slowly, because of the fact that I have to stay in bed many times and there are times when I must stay there for weeks and as my prolapse is worsening I have new questions and new fears. For example I couldn't touch the poo half a year ago, so this situation is new for me, and of course I would like to know if there is anyone who was able to improve from this point. I always hope that I will start recovering and I start to ask questions again every time I experience setbacks. It is true that because of my other problems my rectocele can't improve. Now it is clearly worse. You say you don't know what else could you say. I must say that the biggest help would be if I could get answers as my rectum descends after staying weeks in bed and makes more symptoms, and when I feel that I face a new situation. It is also true that whole women may not help me in my case so quickly as it helps the others, but I know I am on a good track and I always hope I will be able to correct something so that I can start impoving. You may say that lying in bed means that I will never improve but I am happy if I can make the process happen slower. It is a fight for me because I have so many other problems but I want to do my best. So I would appreciate so much if I somebody would answer me the question I have at this point "Can a rectocele improve at the stage when the pouch is full after a half day and it is at the vaginal opening? Does anybody else here experience the same?"

budahazya

November 25, 2015 - 2:50pm

Dear Aging Gracefully my herniated disc is treated well, I have a fantastic doctor. Thanks for your worry. I will work hard on my ww work and give a feedback soon.

Cecilly

November 27, 2015 - 10:32am

Budahazya, I am in a very similar prolapse situation as you. I don't struggle with additional health concerns, but everything you described about your bowel situation is exactly what happens to me. However, I don't have a uterus which complicates things for me considerably. My bulge is most often holding poo, plus it is most often sagging past my vaginal opening to where when I sit down its like sitting on a squishy water balloon. I take Magnesium tabs to keep my stools soft and moving but the downside is that there seems to always be poo in my bulge except right after I eliminate. And like you, I can tell when poo is making its move into my bowels...sometimes I can even sense some squishing around. I don't really have any advice for you, but adjustments I've made to help me are: 1) avoid staying in the bathroom longer than necessary, 2) sit froward as far as possible on the toilet to avoid your bowels falling further back, 3) don't strain of course, 4) after eliminating and cleaning, bend over (arching the back some too) to allow the organs to move forward into a better place, 5) inserting a finger or two to manually push the now empty sack more up and away from the opening of possible. Sometimes I will even use a large tampon (applicator and all), pushing it in and just holding it there a few moments to get things in a more upward and forward position (I sometimes even do this while bent over for increased forward positioning), then remove it. Not gonna lie tho, it doesn't take long for the bulge to make its way back down and begin filling up. I wish you all the best and hope this helps some.

Oh, and I wear a V2 support garment all the time except when sleeping.

Aging gracefully

November 27, 2015 - 12:06pm

Tanglefoot,
If you read through the over two years of posts from budahazya, you will see that she has had much advice and support. She is now having a down moment with other health issues in the mix, and just needed to voice her concerns again. Cecily did give some good additional advice, and I don't want to downplay that. But, don't think that nobody has been trying give support here.

By the way, I notice it didn't take you long to throw in your plug for the hideaway again. Support garments have a very small significance in prolapse management, where Whole Woman Posture and work has the most.

Let's keep this about whole woman, please.

Aging gracefully

November 27, 2015 - 12:49pm

I just remember the last round with you and those support garments. It was constant advertising on your part, and I would hate to see a repeat of that!!

I actually wear one too, but you don't see me constantly talking about it.

Let's keep this about whole woman work. That is the most important message on this forum. And, yes I am touchy about that. Whole woman should always be the main focus here.

Aging gracefully

November 28, 2015 - 10:27am

Tanglefoot,
Have you had a chance to get a copy of Christine's book from that friend of yours? You will find most of your answers there. It is a great resource for all things prolapse and practical advice to help you along.

Surviving60

November 28, 2015 - 1:58pm

C'mon Tanglefoot, show us you are really committed to the WW work, and get your own materials. I suggested this to you way back in July, and WW has had two big sales since then. Not exactly sure what you are waiting for. Saying no to surgery is just the first step. When will you get started? Where do you want to be 5 or 10 years down the road? Think about it. - Surviving

Aging gracefully

November 28, 2015 - 4:48pm

Tanglefoot,
Reading this forum is only the tip of the iceberg in Christine's work, and let's face it, it's really only heresay. You have had plenty of opportunity to get these materials at least one at a time like many of us have.
My biggest problem with you is that you are insistent on giving advice on this forum when you haven't even read or seen any of Christine's original materials. Your advice is not always clear, and most of the time doesn't even mention the whole woman work.

Please exercise caution in giving advice, or even better refrain from it, so that you do not confuse other members of this forum, especially our newbies on here.